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| First report of explosions at three central London underground stations Warren Street, Oval and |
| 2005-07-21 |
| Posted by:Elmolutch Grearong5226 |
| #29 I tend to agree with TMH. If I am correct and suicide bombers believe they are protecting muslims, then the expected reaction is critical. They could reasonably expect concessions in the UK and retaliation in the USA. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2005-07-21 20:48 |
| #28 I disagree. I believe that it is the fear of regular Americans retaliating against the ordinary muslim here that stops them from doing what they are doing in London. That's an interesting theory. If terrorist acts are supported, furthered, and carried out by the oft-alleged small minority of Muslims your reasoning wouldn't hold water as the small radical minority is ulikely to give the proverbial rat's ass what happens to the apostates that don't support their view of the true faith. If, on the other hand, a significant portion of Muslims support the alleged radical minority the community would be in a position to influence the alleged minority in this manner. Personally I think the explanation is somewhat simpler: we simply don't yet have the requisite critical mass of Muslims to support homegrown Islamist terrorism. But as we accept more and more Muslims into the US and as insular Muslim communities grow here we'll eventually see just such a trend because wherever the faith spreads the alleged radical minority follows. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2005-07-21 19:01 |
| #27 Occam's Razor |
| Posted by: Bobby 2005-07-21 16:40 |
| #26 the explosives they attempted to use were sold as part of a sting, hence the lack of any really large explosion and the extreme "WTF?!" reaction from the would-be suicide bombers If so, then the police should be ashamed for not arresting them at the time of purchase. At least one person was severely hurt in the panic after the failure. Dud is still the least complicated theory. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-21 15:37 |
| #25 Just heard this theory (Roe Conn, WLS-AM, Chicago): the explosives they attempted to use were sold as part of a sting, hence the lack of any really large explosion and the extreme "WTF?!" reaction from the would-be suicide bombers. 4 relative duds on the same day? I suppose that could explain it. Either that or it was extreme incompetance on the part of this round's bombmaker. |
| Posted by: eLarson 2005-07-21 15:10 |
| #24 "We in the US have the same problem, only smaller numbers." I disagree. I believe that it is the fear of regular Americans retaliating against the ordinary muslim here that stops them from doing what they are doing in London. Although there is a large segment of the population that is of the idiotarian persuation, there is a much larger one that will be willing to teach muslims here a lesson. If the "radicals" were to try the suicide thing here, they would find themselves cut off from their muslim surroundings, not due to their brothers’ repulsion of their acts, but rather for the latter’s desire to survive. |
| Posted by: TMH 2005-07-21 13:03 |
| #23 Agree with your assessment of the press conference, AzCat. Blair was incredibly weak. Thank God for John Howard. His specific references to Bin Laden's threats and complaints against Australia --in relation to the liberation of East Timor-- was perfect. And the rhetoric was good too... should we not have gone to East Timor? should we not have gone to Afghanistan? he's the better of US-UK-AUS leaders: knows the difference between good and evil, convincing speaker with the ability to think on his feet and crush idiotarians. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-21 12:22 |
| #22 Comment #17 (Robert Crawford) brings out the point about Paleos lacing their boom belts with poison and shrapnel. They also have sent out people with serious diseases and the flesh and bones serve as further shrapnel with a biowarfare chaser. I read a paper on how the Israeli medical people deal with these attacks. Pretty heavy stuff. You cannot treat terrorists solely as a criminal matter. Britain has a serious infestation of them. They will hide among the Moderate Muslims™. We in the US have the same problem, only smaller numbers. We better act on the British experience. It will be up to the people to get the politicians off their collective asses; there is always the vigilante route, a very ugly last resort. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2005-07-21 11:57 |
| #21 if something don't seem right, then it probably isn't right. Its true that speculation is no substitute for the facts, but I have a gut feeling that replicating the Islamonazi attack two weeks prior but on a near-botched level may well be the work of either amateur Islamonazis, foreign agents with a hidden agenda, home boyz stirring the pot up with racial or anarchist motives, or the improbable but possible actions of false-flag strikes. Whatever the motive, cause or who the perpetrators are... it is a sick world or depraved and selfish people who hate others more than they love God or their loved ones to committ to these cowardly acts. |
| Posted by: Phinelet Clenter6100 2005-07-21 11:23 |
| #20 Bravo John Howard! He is just absolutely throwing down on the BBC reporter who is trying to blame British foreign policy, "No government I lead will ever have it's policies determined by terrorists or terrorist threats. No self-respecting government of any stripe will have its policies determined by terrorists or their threats." And in response to the reporter's assertion that it's all due to British involvement in Iraq, "I remind you that the attack in Bali and 9/11 occurred before Iraq." Good thing he was there to hold Blair's hand, Blair just wasn't nearly as strong. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2005-07-21 10:59 |
| #19 Thanks RC.... Now KFI Handel says he sees someone arrested at 10 Downing St (watching Fox)... These Jihadishitz are really anxious for those virgins ... There may be no "death penalty" in Britian, but I imagine the shipment has arrived from Victoria's Secret at the prison, and there will be no cameras of the arrested ones providing a fashion show for the questioners... Allah Akhbar, baby! |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-07-21 10:32 |
| #18 FOX reported that the hospital was entered by a SWAT team with flak jackets and weapons, not batons, and that it was where the previous victims of 7/7 were taken. Also said the chem/bio suits are standard procedure but urging everyone to stay where they were. |
| Posted by: Danielle 2005-07-21 10:29 |
| #17 What is the hazmat stuff about.... Standard procedure, or suspicion of something ominous? Paleoswinian bombers like to lace their bombs with nails and rat poison. Could just be a precaution in regards to that. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-21 10:23 |
| #16 What is the hazmat stuff about.... Standard procedure, or suspicion of something ominous? Have KFI streaming.... Waiting for Tony Blair remarks... |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-07-21 10:18 |
| #15 At that point everyone rushed from the carriage. Should have beat him to a pulp. But then, < snark on > self defense is against the law in the UK these days.< /snark off > |
| Posted by: Laurence of the Rats 2005-07-21 10:12 |
| #14 that a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack," McCracken said. "The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage." Something like, "Oh Shit! ... Um... Allah Ackbar!" |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2005-07-21 09:50 |
| #13 hospital update - the front is sealed off, but sounds like preparation to prioritize/treat wounded, not a crime/terror scene according to a reporter. |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-07-21 09:46 |
| #12 So, when it is uncovered that Islamic bomber are the cause, when will we see the "moderate" muslems denoucing the bombings? Just like the last two weeks, every such statement will be carefully crafted to exclude future attacks in London and all attacks in Iraq and Israel. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-21 09:41 |
| #11 smaller bombs this time - police confirmed explosions on 3 subways, 1 bus. 2 week anniversary |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-07-21 09:41 |
| #10 thisn a miracle ifn no wunz killed. count yore blessings... |
| Posted by: muck4doo 2005-07-21 09:36 |
| #9 @Laurence of the Rats ...Authorities are saying they are looking at incidents at that hospital.....inhabitants of London are instructed to stay where they are...... |
| Posted by: Dutchgeek 2005-07-21 09:31 |
| #8 So, when it is uncovered that Islamic bomber are the cause, when will we see the "moderate" muslems denoucing the bombings? *chirp* *chirp* |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2005-07-21 09:28 |
| #7 Did they attack a hospital or is the news just confusing activity at a hospital for an attack? |
| Posted by: Laurence of the Rats 2005-07-21 09:27 |
| #6 Now reports of an arrest at Univ College Hospital... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-07-21 09:27 |
| #5 explosions and evacuations at Univ College Hospital NR Warren St Station - on Fox now |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-07-21 09:26 |
| #4 My prediction is this is the work of morons cashing in... Thanks MM. Back to work... |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2005-07-21 09:15 |
| #3 Keep safe Howard, and thanks for the update! |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2005-07-21 09:12 |
| #2 Was outside Warren Street when it kicked off - came out of a curry house to realise I was in the roped off bit. LOL. Doesn't look as serious as the other morning. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2005-07-21 09:03 |
#1 Here's an excerpt from the Debka story referenced above:Gunshots heard on platform at Warren Street after commuter reported an exploding rucksack in the hands of a young man and smoke.How much of an explosion was it? How close were the witnesses that called it in? Did the young man in question die on the spot or get beaten to a pulp? These are the questions I have. |
| Posted by: eLarson 2005-07-21 08:51 |