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| I saw Tube man shot - eyewitness | ||||||||
| 2005-07-22 | ||||||||
A passenger has told how he saw armed police officers shoot a man dead on a Tube train at Stockwell. Mark Whitby said: "I was sitting on the train... I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'. I saw an Asian guy. He ran on to the train, he was hotly pursued by three plain clothes officers, one of them was wielding a black handgun. He half tripped... they pushed him to the floor and basically unloaded five shots into him," he told BBC News 24.
Jason Dines was a passenger on a Victoria line tube train which arrived at Stockwell station as the shooting was taking place. "When we pulled into Stockwell there was just a lot of panic on the platform," he told News 24. "Everyone who was on the platform was just running from one end of the platform down to the exit as quickly as possible. There was a real wave of panic on my train, people were banging on the doors saying, you know, 'come on, open the doors, let us get off, we want to get off the train'. Because of that panic, you couldn't actually hear what the driver's announcements were, what he was telling us to do which was a bit of a problem. The doors opened, we got onto the platform, then you could hear the PA address system on the platform - the drivers were basically saying get back on the train. There were people very, very shaken, a couple of people crying. It was quite an unsettling experience." | ||||||||
| Posted by:Steve |
| #26 many thanks Emily, they say the remnants will make it up here (enegizing over the warm gulf of California waters) to San Diego and provide extra humidity to our heat wave. THANKS. Saw Robert Plant in concert by the bay last night, wearing tanktop, shorts, and Tevas, and still sweating |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-07-22 18:42 |
| #25 Yup. what if it IS an innocent idiot, who paniced and ran, even though that was clearly the stupid thing to do. "Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." -- Heinlein "Think of it as evolution in action." -- Niven and Pournelle I won't cry for someone who refuses to obey one of the most basic rules of society -- cooperation with law enforcement. Britain's police are not acting randomly, and Britain is under attack. Failure to comprehend that -- and act accordingly -- is as stupid as sticking your tongue in a light socket while you're standing in a filled tub. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-22 18:40 |
| #24 Lasik - Worked for me. |
| Posted by: 3dc 2005-07-22 18:39 |
| #23 Er, Mrs. Davis. Need to get my glasses checked. Eye's getting a little fuzzy, see. |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2005-07-22 18:35 |
| #22 *urp* Oh, hi Dave. Been a little busy lately... |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2005-07-22 18:31 |
| #21 Whew! Yucatan not enough, Emily? |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2005-07-22 18:19 |
| #20 Such a shame. He just got his assignment to his midnight basketball league... |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2005-07-22 18:15 |
| #19 Thanks, lh, for revealing where your preferences lie. "WHAT IF" it was an innocent? you know, a random guy just coming out of a house under surveillance because of the latest terrorist attacks, and who happens --totally unwittingly-- to walk around in super-hot weather with a thick winter coat. WHOA! HEY! That's got to be an innocent! And oooh, the dilemma! 'e caan't be assuumed not to be! Innocent! Your desire to excuse and defend Islamofascists and criticize Western self-defense is wearing thin. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-22 18:07 |
| #18 If you panic and run when armed police are yelling "Halt" or "Stop" right after a series of terrorist bombing, and you get your head blown off, Tough!!! Just another Darwin Award, LH. |
| Posted by: Shieldwolf 2005-07-22 16:05 |
| #17 Once in my life I was in the wrong place with the wrong guys when a cop shouted "Stop". I stopped. I don't have much sympathy for those who run. Maybe I should. Maybe I used to? The instigator kept walking and was not arrested. Talk about chutzpah! |
| Posted by: Bobby 2005-07-22 15:58 |
| #16 "I sympathize with the police, who face such dilemmas. Dilemmas?" Yup. what if it IS an innocent idiot, who paniced and ran, even though that was clearly the stupid thing to do. Maybe dilemma wasnt the right word, since there really isnt a choice as to action. |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2005-07-22 15:20 |
| #15 London Mayor Ken Livingstone said a shoot-to-kill policy was "overwhelmingly" the way to deal with suspected suicide bombers after police shot a man dead on the subway. "If you are dealing with someone who might be a suicide bomber, if they remain conscious they could trigger plastic explosives or whatever device is on them," Livingstone said. .... "Therefore overwhelmingly in these circumstances it is going to be a shoot-to-kill policy." |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2005-07-22 15:18 |
| #14 Good riddance Tube Man. |
| Posted by: Ulaper Ebbise7768 2005-07-22 12:54 |
| #13 I sympathize with the police, who face such dilemmas. Dilemmas? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2005-07-22 12:28 |
| #12 Livingstone is ignorant. Paleos terrorists dont need to trigger anything it's precisely the inverse that happens. When the finger is released from pressed button it explodes. So killing him can make it explode. So the shotting must be wise. |
| Posted by: Hupomoque Spoluter7949 2005-07-22 12:18 |
| #11 "He half tripped... they pushed him to the floor and basically unloaded five shots into him," Is it bad to have a smile over this? |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-22 12:05 |
| #10 so true so true! blair needs to step down and a stronger PM needs to be put in place! |
| Posted by: Shaish Whack3823 2005-07-22 12:05 |
| #9 When they have "SHOO TO KILL ORDERS" re: terrorists. They ain't kidding. Not to be frivolous on a serious matter, but it seems like Tony Blair put the CI5 and Cowley in charge of this. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-07-22 11:50 |
| #8 Is England back!? Now we need just need to get the British ACLU and one of these nice bombers in the same place and turn our backs and let them blow themselves up. Than we can move on with the war on terror!! |
| Posted by: Shaish Whack3823 2005-07-22 11:28 |
| #7 Red Ken Livingstone has just been on Sky News. He said that if people had a replica gun and threatened someone, the police would have no idea whether it was real or not and the person with the replica would probably come off worse. He also said that in the case of a suicide bomber, they can still trigger the explosives if wounded, so it's almost certain that a shoot-to-kill policy would be necessary. Amazing! - I'd love to replay this back to him the next time the Israelis kill a suicide bomber. He also mentioned that the during the 70's-90's when the IRA were having their fun, that it didn't stop London carrying on. And this from someone who played host to Sinn Fein during the height of the bombings! He also alluded to the Blitz. I believe the phrase is 'chutzpah'. |
| Posted by: Tony (UK) 2005-07-22 11:23 |
| #6 Thats the problem with suicide belt bombers. They can be down, and can be shot, but as long as their alive, theres a chance they'll boom. Thats what the Israelis have found, and it looks like the brits have learned from it. I sympathize with the police, who face such dilemmas. |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2005-07-22 11:02 |
| #5 Sky News Report from other wittnesses One "interesting one" below! Mark Whitby said he was sitting on the Tube at Stockwell when the man ran in to the carriage. He described suddenly hearing people shouting "get down, get down". Mr Whitby said: "An Asian guy ran on to the train. As he ran, he was hotly pursued by what I knew to be three plain-clothes police officers. "As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox. "He looked absolutely petrified. "He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor. "One of the police officers was holding a black automatic pistol in his left hand. They held it down to him and unloaded five shots into him. I saw it. He's dead, five shots, he's dead." "I'm totally distraught," he added. "It was no more than five yards away from where I was sitting as I saw it with my own eyes." Mr Whitby said the suspected bomber "looked like a Pakistani" and was wearing a baseball cap and a thick coat. He added: "He was quite large, big built, quite a sort of chubby guy." -------------------------------------------------- DANG! When they have "SHOO TO KILL ORDERS" re: terrorists. They ain't kidding. I'll bet you the ACLU British equivalent is s**tting in their pants on this one! |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-07-22 10:55 |
| #4 I gather tradition in these cases dictates that a small trial for murder is held for the police officer. After his acquittal and vindication, he will then be presented with commondations and accolades from the department and others. In this case, pretty significant others. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2005-07-22 10:12 |
| #3 Britain |
| Posted by: 2b 2005-07-22 09:26 |
| #2 and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired." so much for not having a bomb. Quite fun! It was quite an unsettling experience." he was quite a chubby sort of guy.I didn't even see a bag to be quite honest. It was quite an unsettling experience." "But it was all quite panicky and my favorite, a phrase which would only be heard in Britian: I heard all these popping sounds, it sounded like gunshots, but quite quiet ones. |
| Posted by: 2b 2005-07-22 09:12 |
| #1 I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out ... But what if he was innocent? On the other hand, what if he blew himself up? |
| Posted by: Bobby 2005-07-22 09:11 |