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Hizb ul-Tahrir will be banned if it is a threat: Howard
2005-08-09
Radical Islamic group Hizb ul-Tahrir will be banned in Australia if intelligence authorities judge it a terrorist threat, the prime minister said Monday.
It's a threat. Ban it and lock 'em up.
The Australian Security Intelligence Organization - the country’s top spy agency - is investigating Hizb ul-Tahrir, which was banned in Britain last week. The group operates in Sydney. Prime Minister John Howard told Macquarie Radio that, “if ASIO tells us that an organization like this ... does represent a threat, then we’ll take action to ban it.”
It doesn't take much. Read some of their literature.
Hizb ul-Tahrir Australian spokesman Wassim Doureihi said the group will cooperate fully with investigators. “If there are facts established and ASIO wish to talk to us, then they know where we are and they can obviously take it from there,” he told Nine Network television. ASIO had been in contact with the group for several years, Doureihi said. “We talk to ASIO when they request access and what we say in private is what we say in public,” he said. “What is disturbing is that the party is being portrayed as a secretive cell when in reality we have been very open,” he added. Doureihi confirmed the group’s support for the insurgency against coalition troops in Iraq and said he did not condemn suicide bombings. “It’s unfair to condemn the reaction when we do not condemn unreservedly the conditions which gave rise to those reactions,” he said. “If we talk about occupied land, then we have to expect the people to resist the occupation,” he added.
Posted by:Fred

#11  That's the 64000 dollar question, Jules. What will it take for Britain to do what she must do to survive as a nation? Hey, this applies to us Yanks, too. Civilization is intimidated by a bunch of LLL and Tranzi blowhards. We try to live by laws. The LLL and Tranzis use the laws to intimidate and get their way. A STFU backed up by a big stick is what is needed. At what point are we willing to do that? Time is of the essence.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-08-09 23:40  

#10  "No one seems willing to take that first step to discard the PC BS and take this seriously with effective actions in their own country."

That's exactly it, .com. Which is the dominant tendency right now: a Britain indifferent to the its own suicide (at least a Britain any of us would recognize as such) or a Britain with a strong self-preservation instinct? Push come to shove, will the safety of Brits be sacrificed to Islamic jihadis because of a fawning and hypervigilant British fear of a Muslim backlash? Will the country's culture become extinct?

So few Brits have seen the face of evil in their lives; they don't believe in it. It is laughed at as a quaint notion of primitives. They prefer to be sophisticatedly witty, mocking it and passing off any truce with Islam as brilliant. Until a few bombs go off in the tunnels and a few more people realize there is no justification for terror.

So, which is the dominant tendency?
Posted by: jules 2   2005-08-09 23:00  

#9  I wish you'd cut back on the PC bullsh*t, PD, and tell us what you really think ;-)
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-09 15:18  

#8  Another one on the mark .com, I agree action now whilst the bombings are fresh in the mind and as Blair put it "We don't go back to sleep"
Posted by: Mctavish Mcpherson   2005-08-09 14:34  

#7  We live for tipping points.
Posted by: Holsteins by Zuider Zee   2005-08-09 12:00  

#6  Well spoken, PD. The UK bombings are a golden opportunity to get things moving and boot out the cancer before it really attacks the host. I hope that the opportunity is seized. This proposed action of Tony Blair will save literally thousands of lives worldwide.

It is really close to the tipping point. I am not optimistic, maybe cautiously optimistic. But we can hope.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-08-09 11:53  

#5  I figure 15-20 percent. 40 percent would be enough for the tipping point.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-08-09 09:53  

#4  40 to 50 percent? You think it's that high? I am pretty sure 99% of the people I come into contact with haven't a clue PD.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom   2005-08-09 05:54  

#3  Thx :)

Go Tony, Go!
Posted by: .com   2005-08-09 04:59  

#2  well said .com!

I liked this part: the group will cooperate fully with investigators. “If there are facts established and ASIO wish to talk to us, then they know where we are and they can obviously take it from there,”

That's right, you little arrogant DS, talk. You got nothing to hide right? Let's have a chat. *snicker*
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-09 04:56  

#1  Go for it, Howard!

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The Tipping Point is here, if Blair has the stones. It's all sitting in his lap, IMHO.

If Blair follows through and really does get tough by deporting the inciters, recruiters, facilitators, financiers - per the story of MI5's "list" yesterday - and their lieutenants (followers to come soon after, I hope), it will provide shade for Howard to follow suit, although there's been no strike on Ozzie soil, and a whole chain of events will likely follow...

If he doesn't. If he wimps out on attacking those who wish to destroy his country, we'll be set back a year or two in the War on Islamofascism. They'll have to untangle their feet and hit someone, again, to wake everyone up, again.

Isn't it odd how people think? Since the toolfools of Islamofascism finally struck on UK soil, Blair's freed to act - although he'd better get started before the wankers drag him back to the inactive status quo per public opinion. Without that actual act, he couldn't do dick, no matter that almost 60x as many people died in the WTC / Pentagon attacks. The second London attempt, though failed, certainly should've put it over the top - for good. But it won't happen that way. After awhile the sentiment will backslide into complacency and some sort of weird and misguided sympathy. Galloway and Livingston are already working on it. The attack on the US seems to carry almost no weight with the majority of UK citizens - and maybe only marginally more Ozzies citizens.

That they openly declare they wish to kill kafrs, their words and even the written word of Islam isn't enough to get the West off its ass. It takes dead bodies. And almost 3,000 of them in the US is viewed by the toolfools as, well, not relevant. Though the killers are all part of the same twisted vision, it's not relevant. This is where the MSM memery, such as "Well, you asked for it!" comes into play. They have effectively negated almost 3,000 dead Americans with their subversive self-hate Tranzi demagoguery. Don't ask me what I think about Peter Jennings. You will not like my response. Those that have worried about speaking ill of him should spend a hour with someone who lost a family member on 9/11, methinks. I'll bet they aren't tied up in PC BS knots. Sigh.

In Ozzieland, they have Bali to motivate them, but nothing on Ozzie soil. So what has happened since? Not much, other than Howard being re-elected. But Bali + London (and that small percentage that even remembers the WTC is part of the same thingy) takes Howard right up to the brink, but not over, apparently. He's rattling the cages and running up the flag to see who salutes, but this only proves the point: he's not free to act without something else to push the public over the rim. If Blair acts, it will give Howard almost the same freedom to do something - before Ozzie soil is bloodied. He will be able to look straight into the TV camera and say "We act in your defense. These people are killers and should not be allowed to exist in our civilized land. So we are going to protect our citizens, our way of life, and deport them where we can and attack them where they hide from authority." And then the gates will open - all over the West.

Please, Blair, follow through. The iron is hot, baby. Put the UK's citizens ahead of your politics. It will allow everyone else in the West to get off the dime, too. Howard will provide the next needed push - and so on.

In the US - we've already been hit - about 10x harder than any other Western nation. Yet it's clear that still only about, what, 40-50% of us "get it" about Islam? The tipping point is so close. If Blair will act, it will have a salutary effect in all Western states, I believe. No one seems willing to take that first step to discard the PC BS and take this seriously with effective actions in their own country. Bush had the stones to go to Afghanistan and Iraq to oust dangerous asshats, opening the door for those that can buy a clue to act also, but none of them (yet) are willing to make the tough calls at home. Boggles, no? I believe NYC's Mayor Bloomberg, far more like Red Ken than not, should be impeached for his stupidity and PC statements. Wotta chump.

Blair has become a linchpin, IMHO. That he has become so is of his own doing - Good On Ya Tony for taking the step to put it at the top of the domestic agenda and threaten something effective... Now - do it, Tony. Show you're not a chump, but the man who decided to get tough at home. You've taken the lead. Do it, man. Do it now.

Only Israel has shown real balls and adapted as they learned how to deal with these haters. Someday soon, all in the West will be mimicking their security methods. Blair can move the process a huge step forward. C'mon Tony, you're right on target, do it.

My take.
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Posted by: .com   2005-08-09 04:40  

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