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Australian Federal Govt: We want Bashir in jail !!
2005-10-05
THE Federal Government will oppose any move to further reduce the jail sentence for the alleged spiritual leader of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiah, Abu Bakar Bashir. With JI suspected of being involved in the latest Bali bombings, Bashir's name is on a list of prisoners eligible to have their sentences cut, according to a report in today's The Australian newspaper.

In August, Bashir's 30-month sentence for conspiracy in relation to the 2002 Bali bombings was cut by four and a half months to commemorate Indonesia's independence day.

The paper said it could now be cut by a further 30 days, with the militant preacher listed for another remission to commemorate the Islamic holiday of Idul Fitri on November 4, which marks the end of Ramadan.With time already served, The Australian said he could be free as early as April. Australian Justice Minister Chris Ellison said today the Government was strongly opposed to any reduction in sentence for the cleric.
Sooner he's released, the sooner the SAS can get to him.
"We've certainly registered our strong protest over any remission for Abu Bakar Bashir," Senator Ellison said. "We totally reject that and we've made our position very clear to Indonesia.

"But in the Indonesian prison system, the sentencing system, there are automatic remissions which apply to prisons to mark Indonesian independence day and others.
Charity begins .. and ends for Moose-limbs. Of course, the Bali victims are still dead.
"We certainly have said that this should not apply to Abu Bakar Bashir who, after all, has been in prison for terrorism-related offences and is the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah."

Bashir's earlier sentence reduction provoked a furore in Australia and a flurry of high-level protests by the Federal Government. Prime Minister John Howard lobbied Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to review the automatic remission laws when he met him in New York last month.

Bashir has said the weekend restaurant bombings in Bali which killed at least 22 people, including up to four Australians, were a warning from Satan God. From his prison cell, Bashir has condemned the attack but also said in a statement yesterday the bombings were a sign of God's displeasure with the Indonesian Government.

Senator Ellison said Indonesian police were continuing to interview two men in relation to the attacks but would not say whether they were witnesses or suspects. "I'm not sure whether they are finished with the questioning of those two men, but no arrests have been made," he said.
I'm sure Inspectors Clouseau and Legume are on the case.
He said it was too early to say if there were any links between the bombers and terrorist groups in the southern Philippines.
Oh no, none at all, why would we ever suspect that?
The Australian also said intelligence officials believe the bombers may have been trained by Filipino terrorist groups. "Certainly the southern Philippines has been a concern to us and we have a strategy for dealing with that," Senator Ellison said.

"But it's still early days in this investigation; we certainly can't say anything at this stage as to whether these suspects, people who carried out the bombing, were from the Philippines."
Posted by:Oztralian [AKA] God Save The World

#55  "I would happily check off a $50.00 box on my tax return to finance wetwork teams"

Lol - now that's a damned fine idea... think we can petition the IRS successfully? Lol, they love to handle our money... prolly roll such funds into commercial papers for a week or two (at least they would if they were smart) and make shitloads of deficit-reducing cash.

Dunno how often you've been able to drop by...
John in Tokyo has a fine write-up tonight - there are still some who are fighting mad, yet thoughtful. I zoom to any 11A5S post, lol, when he finally decides to weigh in - always thoughtful and pragmatic. There's a fresh batch of fry 'em ups who have never killed a fly, of course - you know, it's a therapy thingy, lol. But the solid folks are still solid - it's just quieter and subdued. I guess, in truth, most are waiting for several "other shoe to drop" events, such as the Iraqi constitution vote.

Meanwhile, our forces are filling bags fast and the Iraqi Forces are looking pretty damned good.

There's no doubt that the layers of civilization, which have done us precious little good other than feel-good, will begin to peel away as the bulk of this fight finally leaves the flypaper and comes West. Then we'll see what we're made of. I'm not optimistic.

Sorry I'm so late to come back to check - I may not have time to respond to any other posts.

Try the carrot cake. It rocks, lol.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 23:46  

#54  #47: Ah, the good old days. It's like when the children come home for Christmas. Only rants instead of presents. How lovely.

Mrs. D, if that is a welcome back to Rantburg, I'll prize it just as much as .com's.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-10-05 23:12  

#53  Come back soon - there's a PC fog settling over the 'burg.

Them's fightin' words, .com! Among many things I prize this place for is its willing, nay seemingly mandatory abandonment of PC mentality. As I re-engage here, I promise to do my best in fighting it tooth and nail.

Seeing as how this thread has devolved into a recipe klatch, I'll careen it back on track by congratulating you for your long-past observation that the death-cult / violent jihad aspect of Islam is a meme.

I agree and also maintain that it is quite definitely a meme, and that those imams who preach violent jihad are carriers in the most precise pathological sense. They spread their culture of death without ever succumbing to the disease themselves.

When I finally see these "celebrity" imams, like Bashir or Bakri strap on a bomb vest and do the dirty work themselves, I might be inspired to actually go out and piss on their (however compact) graves in person.

Until then, I would happily check off a $50.00 box on my tax return to finance wetwork teams for the purpose of eliminating these "carriers," not to mention the meme itself.

Again, it's sort of ironic to see participants here be so quiet about something they deemed so vile a few short seasons ago. Extrajudicial killings are nothing to brag about, but permitting a death cult to spread, under the aegis of ANY religion is a far worse thing.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-10-05 22:54  

#52  Grunter - thx for the tip - I'll check it out!
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 22:21  

#51  Mrs D - here's what I just made - pass it along to any bachelors you know who, um, need more fiber in their diet, heh.

Bachelor's Perfect Carrot Cake
Guy Style: Uses mix and has lots of stuff in it.

1 Spice Cake Mix - Betty Crockercrat or Duncan Hines
2 cups shredded carrots
1.5 cups walnut pieces
1 cup plump golden raisins
1 cup shredded coconut
.5 cup chunky or plain applesauce
1 can crushed pineapple - the little flat cans, heh
1 ready-made frosting - I prefer vanilla.

Do the cake mix per directions except:
a) substitute .5 cup of applesauce for .5 cup of water.
b) add 1 tablespoon more oil than recipe call for.

Now dump all the goodies in and blend well.

Bake per directions in a 13"x9" pan.

Cool at least 40 min.

Ice it thinly - helps keep it fresh, mainly.

Cover & refrigerate it. Yeah, that's what I said.

Eat. Will last in fridge for about 5 days - thanks to the extra Tbsp of oil.

A piece of this with fresh hot coffee and a decent crossword puzzle is solo nirvana.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 22:20  

#50  Lol, I'm feeling some pain here... dunno if it's yours, but... :)
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 21:59  

#49  I had fun till that b!+@h Gentlw showed up. But no one ever wants to hear about my woes.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-10-05 21:38  

#48  You always had fun, Mrs D (pre-gender chg, heh) - don't deny it. ;-)
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 20:22  

#47  Ah, the good old days. It's like when the children come home for Christmas. Only rants instead of presents. How lovely.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-10-05 20:18  

#46  Oh yeah, Z - excellent rant - I'm there!

I hope the workload doesn't kill off the living side of the equation - that's not worth it. Come back soon - there's a PC fog settling over the 'burg. Needs some shakin' up, lol!
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 20:16  

#45  Yup, .com, it's little ol' me, pal. I've been sucked into a management vortex at my job for some time. I also want to hit the tip jar before I chew up much more of Fred's bandwidth. I just felt compelled to note the current lack of outrage (as you did, too) at such a notion as randomly capping these psycho dirtbags. Much unlike when I first started advocating wet-work teams hereabouts.

If Bashir was taking the dirt nap right now, he wouldn't have been able to spew this nuclear terrorism crap into another gazillion eager Muslim ears. Martyr this SOB and all of his ilk d@mn fast! Bakri, Qawadari, Sadr, Hamsa ... all of them.

People need to remember that tyrannys, dictatorships and totalitariam regimes ARE NOT sovereign nations. They are self-appointed sh!tholes of human rights abuses that need to be limed. Iran's mullahs have no rights, China's communist mandarins have no just claim to power. America, as a free nation, has the right (but not the obligation) to go in and liberate any and all of these he|| holes as it sees fit. Moral relativists who insist that theocratic and communist autocracies are valid forms of government need to be deported to them post haste.[/rant]
Posted by: Zenster   2005-10-05 19:52  

#44  Let's do the Threat Board thingy I posted on this thread...

Might prove interesting... Improvements / refinements welcomed.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 18:43  

#43  The Z Man - Zenster? That you, bro? :)
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 18:41  

#42  #1  So the notion of hunter-killer teams isn't so far-fetched, now? Sure got a cold reception coupla years ago. - Posted by: .com 

Ain't it a b!tch being on the leading edge? And I'm just that much closer to "fry-'em-up" myself.

#7  People like Bashir are the reason wetwork was invented ... - Posted by Dan Darling

Glad to see the more sagacious among us reaching this "conclusion." The complete and total lack of timely post 9-11 revulsion by the majority of Islam convinced me rather promptly. Kill these maggots wherever and whenever they sprout up. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: The Z Man   2005-10-05 18:39  

#41  The best tea we heve found is Dilmah brand, from Ceylon. Superb flavour. They have a website.
Posted by: Grunter   2005-10-05 18:38  

#40  Kill ... Bashir ... Now!
Posted by: Ernst Stavro Blofeld   2005-10-05 17:40  

#39  What a thread! :)

I used to drink black tea - a lot. English breakfast mainly. Then one day about 2 years ago I put my cup down with a tea bag in it, set the kettle off and walked off. Five minutes later, I came back and someone had used the water (grrr). Got in a huff, took cup back into my office (tea bag still in it) and left it there. About 9 months! later, I threw the teabag away. Had one cup of black tea in all that time (and that's after 30+ years of drinking tea - weird eh?). Now I drink green tea a little (2 cups a day or so - feel much better for it), that and beer and G&Ts, oh and red wine too, champers too. Can't drink coffee - headaches almost immediately.

Oh and as for Bashir: terminate him, and if anyone else takes his place, they get the same treatment. That or nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure...
Posted by: Tony (UK)   2005-10-05 16:56  

#38  A vampire with cat naps here.
Starbucks all the way...
Ginsang tea at night.
(instant Sang' with sugar or honey is pretty good)

Posted by: 3dc   2005-10-05 15:53  

#37  I'll get the hang of this stuff eventually, lol. Funny thing is, tea makes me sleepy. Coffee, due to the quantity I became accustomed to, had no effect at all - even espresso and teeth-jangling Cuban-style. It's almost the end of my "day" - I keep no schedule at all and, over the last 20 months have gravitated to full vampire mode, heh.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 09:51  

#36  You are absolutely correct about the boiling.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-10-05 09:44  

#35  Mrs D - I'll give it a try, then. Didn't know the diff was that great. I think it's better not to boil the water - that removes too much oxygen. I've experimented and found that just short of boiling gave me better flavor - at least regards my big 16 oz Starbucks mug (with "Bangkok" on it, lol) heated up in the microwave. Precisely 3:55 at full power.

Howard, Lol! Nah, it's been an eternity for me, and I'm happy to leave the past in the past, heh. When I lose a document, it's a different sort of debilitation at work, lol.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 09:41  

#34  The problem with ending Bashir's worthless life is that another Koranimal will step up and take his place.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-10-05 09:35  

#33  except for the Queen/King of England being the nominal chief of state and even this will probably not last long

I'd've said that, but for the last Oz referendum on a republic. I suspect it's more likely Liz will move to Canberra when Tony establishes the New Model Protectorate.
Posted by: Claviger Gleash4928   2005-10-05 09:32  

#32  Saw the movie, the poem (authored by Morant himself) at the end is really moving. Morant's execution caused a commotion in Australia: no longer would Australia accept its soldiers being court-martialled by British courts. Later they decided that Australian units would work as allies (ie obeying Australian governemnt) of the British and not as part of the British Army.

In many ways Morant's execution started the movement who led Australia to become an independent country (except for the Queen/King of England being the nominal chief of state and even this will probably not last long)
Posted by: JFM   2005-10-05 09:27  

#31  Wire ball infuser 75:25 tea:marijuana combo - keeps me steady all day... now where did I put that document..
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-10-05 09:18  

#30  .com, go to one of those wire ball infusers with loose tea. You won't believe how much more flavor there is than in any bag. I just boil up some water and pour it into my 34 oz. insulated mug and I'm good to go for a couple of hours.
Posted by: Mrs Davis   2005-10-05 09:11  

#29  Mmm, Earl Grey. I keep English Breakfast around for Brits who come to visit. But nowadays no caffeine for me in the morning, or I can't take my morning nap. And if I don't sleep in the a.m., I may have another car accident picking up trailing daughter #1 after school. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a right bitch. Especially coupled with a school system choosing textbooks over busses. So y'all enjoy the morning breezes, while my head seeks the pillow. :-(
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-05 09:04  

#28  I like that and Irish Breakfast, too, but I'm out of both, at the moment. The simpler Bigelow's Pekoe is okay - no bag staples so you can microwave it in the mug, heh. I "discovered" tea about 3 yrs ago - I think Starbucks stock fell, lol. I used to do 20 cups (min) per day.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 08:50  

#27  Interesting. I'm partial to English Breakfast. At least in the morning. EG is too much before noon.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-10-05 08:47  

#26  Heh, I'm working on a mug of Earl Grey right now, in fact! You're prescient! It's 63° at 5:30 AM here in Sin City, I've got the windows wide open, enjoying the fresh crisp morning, and keeping the insides toasty warm with royal amber. I swear, we must be opposing sine waves - we cross with regularity, lol!
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 08:21  

#25  Back on-topic, Bashir and his ilk need to be eliminated - extrajudicially, if needed - and in the case of Indonesia, it's obviously the only way this will happen to them. I think this will be as obvious as Thoreau's "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." to most non-Muzzies soon.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 08:18  

#24  .com, after all this unexpected excitement, I feel the need for a cup of tea -- care to join me? And we can compare the fun-house mirror images of our opposite lives. That'll also allow the grouchypants out there time to drink their coffee and become civil. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-05 08:15  

#23  Were there bad words in it?

In the Wikipedia article? No. If you mean the film, I haven't any idea. But my parents had seen enough of real war and real violence in their own youths that they decided their children didn't need the same, even as pretend. Vocabulary, on the other hand, was something we looked up in the dictionary.... or my mother's medical texts (which sometimes led to confusion, as those were written in French).
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-05 08:10  

#22  tw - I may be your opposite number, lol, and the 303 reference was obtuse enough that it didn't do much for me, either. It seems we produced some .303's (designated the P-14) for the Brits in WW-I. Then again we mfg'd them for the Brits in WW-II (Lee-Enfield No.4 - by Savage Arms). But it was never a US weapon, we only helped to ramp-up supplies for the cousins.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 08:04  

#21  Were there bad words in it?
Posted by: Glavick Angeating1457   2005-10-05 08:01  

#20  Based on your Wikipedia reference, .com, it looks like Rule 303 is a British Colonial tradition. It isn't clarified in the article, so I assume Mr. GizzardPuke is correct as to application, albeit ill-mannered before he's drunk his morning coffee. Not at all part of my cultural referents I'm afraid, but then my experience in both real life and movies is rather limited. And that long ago Breaker Morant would not have been thought appropriate viewing for me -- my parents thought they had good reason to be overprotective of their children. Which is why I asked in the first place.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-05 07:52  

#19  tw - found it on Wiki...

Tough guy doesn't like being asked for anything, Bizzzy guy, I guess.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 07:14  

#18  Yeah, I guess so - sounds like something I did a few dozen times, but not with a .303.

You're above it, I see. Jeez is right. HAND.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 07:12  

#17  Jeez.

Rule 303:- Lee Enfield rifle .303 Cal.

To take the rifle, insert a loaded magazine, aim it at said puke, work the bolt mechanism to load a round into the chamber and then pull the trigger causing expanding gasses to expel a chunk of lead into previously mentioned puke's head.

Is that specific enough?

Posted by: GizzardPuke   2005-10-05 07:09  

#16  Based on your link, .com, Rule 303:Presumptions in Criminal Cases (Not enacted.)

First of all, it wasn't enacted. Secondly, it would have applied to criminals subject to U.S. law in U.S. courts, not outside national borders. Bashir is an Indonesian citizen who broke Indonesian law on Indonesian soil. Thirdly, this is an issue between Indonesia and Australia acting on behalf of Australian victims of an Indonesian criminal. How on earth would an unenacted U.S. law obtain in this matter? For that matter, a similar enacted law still would not obtain here. Finally, any speculation at Rantburg re: wetwork/torture on the part of Indonesian or Australian actors has again nothing to do with unenacted or enacted U.S. laws.

Amusing, but bootless. Darn it, with such a cryptic reference I'd hoped to learn something exciting!
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-05 07:09  

#15  "See the movie 'Breaker Morant'"
Good flick.

Why, I'm sure it is - I saw it maybe 15-20 yrs ago. Didn't quite make the impression upon me that it apparently did for you folks. So you can't give the gist of it, we have to watch a movie. Right.

Between the two of you, lol, I'd say buggah.

Brilliant. Thanx.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 06:58  

#14  "rule 303?"

See the movie "Breaker Morant"
Good flick.
Posted by: GizzardPuke   2005-10-05 06:48  

#13  Ah, better yet, likely this Tim Blair bit.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 06:48  

#12  Prolly referring to this. It seems to be choosing to be obtuse, thinking it makes it seem clever. It doesn't. It's not.

Hmmm... whatever happened to common sense?
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 06:45  

#11  Yeah...."The breaker" would sort that filthy puke out in under 30 seconds. Needs to be slo tho.
Needs to start with a Thai Boxing grapple and knees to the face followed by vigorous stomping and then a fully executed arm bar.




Posted by: GizzardPuke   2005-10-05 06:43  

#10   rule 303?
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-05 06:36  

#9  hmmm.... whatever happened to rule 303?
Posted by: classer   2005-10-05 04:55  

#8  Not just him. His little school needs an accident real bad.
Posted by: 3dc   2005-10-05 04:05  

#7   People like Bashir are the reason wetwork was invented ...
Posted by: Dan Darling   2005-10-05 03:28  

#6  Surprised he is still sucking valuable oxygen.
Posted by: Captain America   2005-10-05 01:59  

#5  AP - "When"?

As long as the "asteroid" isn't looked at tooo closely (we'll have to temporarily disable the NEO watchers, heh) - don't want 'em to see it's actually a giant chunk of concrete with UASF Space Command / Halliburton Near-Space Services stamped on the side...
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 01:21  

#4  Then the 2012 election cycle is over, .com, and people with values and principles get back in. Then we start unf*cking all the LLL damage done. Annnnnnd then, someone spots this big-a$$ed asteroid barreling down toward Hollywood (Mecca, Teheran, well you get the picture), and its-----over. Heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-10-05 01:08  

#3  Lol, so true, Doc, so true. I love the drivel in there that they're thinking Flips, instead of native Indos. The not so funny thing is, it's utterly irrelevant, except for the Indo Int'l "image" - they're Muzzies doing the Muzzy thingy - who really cares which nest they come from? That shouldn't be cover for the leaders, but it will be, sure as shit it will be. Of course, Bali is DEAD, now - and that golden goose will lay no more - if the Indos haven't figured that out, yet, they will soon enough. Then we'll see if there's any spine in that mass. Hell, I figure by about 2012, I'll be mainstream - prolly even considered wimpish. One term of Billary, a few serious hits, and the 2012 election cycle ought to do it.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 00:38  

#2  Time marches on, attitudes evolve. More importantly, slimebag killers walk. That usually does it for me.
Posted by: Steve White   2005-10-05 00:13  

#1  So the notion of hunter-killer teams isn't so far-fetched, now? Sure got a cold reception coupla years ago.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-05 00:09  

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