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| Riot rocks Paris suburb after teenagers killed |
| 2005-10-29 |
| Dozens of youths went on a rampage, burning vehicles and vandalising buildings in a tough Paris suburb Friday in an act of rage following the death by electrocution of two teenagers trying to flee police. Twenty-three cars were gutted by fire and the windows of a shopping centre were smashed in the riot in Clichy-sous-Bois, which finally ended before dawn. No arrests were made and there were no reports of injuries. According to police, the violence erupted after two boys, aged 14 and 16, died when they scaled a wall of an electrical relay station and fell against a transformer. The two had been trying to escape from police responding to the attempted robbery of a nearby worksite, officers said. A third boy who had also jumped the wall was seriously hurt. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said the three had not been "physically pursued" by the police. He added that measures should be taken to counter such urban violence, and said he aimed to equip police cars with cameras and officers with "non-lethal weapons." |
| Posted by:lotp |
| #20 Thanks, a5089. .com's approach has merit, but while preparing for it, one might think of upgrading the computer system that distributes those welfare checks. New systems always have bugs, of course--perhaps this one would have problems providing checks to certain neighborhoods or spellings of names? It wouldn't be hard: as a courtesy to people of a different culture you could reference their names in transliterated Arabic. You wouldn't even have to put bugs in the code deliberately. Or is that not the right kind of "social programming?" |
| Posted by: James 2005-10-29 21:47 |
| #19 they wouldn't be sending them to their deaths at least, like they did the Jooooos. Call it accelerated Darwinism |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-10-29 18:05 |
| #18 Deportation is the answer. The French never had a problem with this in the past (WW2) when they deported the unwanted Joos to Germany. Why should "youths" and "North Africans" be any different. If those cops are not going to use them why do they carry the MP5s? Put up the fences ant start loading them onto ships for the trip home. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2005-10-29 17:25 |
| #17 "social programmers and engineers" Oops, if unclear you have my abject apologies. Real engineers are my favorite people - they make shit happen, lol. I was referring to the 'B' Ark passengers... As for burning out the nests, it sure works for me, lol. But I was accused of being a fire-bug in my yoot, so I'll have to recuse myself. :) |
| Posted by: .com 2005-10-29 16:57 |
| #16 *ahem* I'm assuming you mean social engineers, PD.? Myself? I'd go for urban renewal in any place Fire and Police are unable to venture safely. It starts with a shutoff of water, encirclement with fencing and forced evacuation to deportation centers. Fire, unattended, is usually the agent of change, whether deliberate or not |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-10-29 16:50 |
| #15 Not me, bro. I'm shutting everything down and cutting all my, um, "official" ties, lol. You'll hafta frequent the gun shows for your goodies. I hope Lance succeeds in whatever he chooses to do - and I have no doubt he will. That they can't accept that he pasted their asses fair 'n square year after year after year is, well, de rigueur for those who are trying to drag him down, lol. Yet another ass-kicking would only delay the game another year. He Da Man - and they know it, lol. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-10-29 16:47 |
| #14 It's not fair! I'm disapointed that the muzzies and Africaneers get to start Frances civil war. I was hoping it would be the French cycling industry buying bombs and guns from .com in prep for Lance Armstrong's announcment that he will race in order to "again" kick French ass. BTW i"ll take some of that wire for the chase vans!! |
| Posted by: 49 pan 2005-10-29 16:23 |
| #13 Sounds as if it's directly deposited, then. Hmmm. There's a definite, Fort Apache, The Bronx feel to what you describe. All sufficiently industrialized countries seem to go through a phase like this, where the social programmers and engineers screw everything up for a few generations... But then you hope the Govt realizes the mistake in time to reverse the trend and clean it up. Those that do this successfully, turning off the welfare tit and putting people to work, survive - at least until the next total dimwit cycle occurs. Those that don't are destined to fail. We certainly have the Blue State version of what you describe. Breaking the cycle of stupidity isn't easy, but it's damned necessary for survival. I personally view every unassimilated "cultural" area / neighborhood / whatever, and yes I'm being extremely generous with that description, is (here it comes - the unPC version) a malignant tumor on the society. The cumulative effect of these tumors, these unproductive and parasitic masses, once they breach the threshold - and metastacize, leads to social and economic stagnation, then a terminally anemic and declining economy - mixed with increasing violence, then either radical surgery - or the death of the host. BTW, the "our favorite advertisers" links were for you. I kept it mild in deference to Sheriff Fred, lol. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-10-29 16:22 |
| #12 I don't know how it's works in the USA, but benefit in France is automatical, you only get a notification, you don't get a check to be cashed at the bank, but there is a lot of paperwork; the social centers are heavily used by the muslim/migrant population, that's not just a cliché (according to the interior minister himself, only 5% of the migrants come to work, the rest are benefit-magnets if I may be rude); as a sidenote, the anpe (work-search and unemployment administration) just recently published a booklet written... in arabic! I wish I had the url, it was scanned in a far-right website, but it's not a spoof. I think that should be telling. Postmen too have problems in theses areas, though I'm sure there must be some kind of modus vivendi. Note that, as I posted in a an article about the islamization of french enterprizes and businesses, in Seine Saint-Denis department (home of a large muslim/migrant "minority", there even are some speculation whitey could actually be the minority there, this might be true for the younger pop), an internal post office service survey found out that in postal hubs packages from Israel went systematically "missing" and packages from the USA were sabotaged (slashed with boxcutters,...). Theses places are dangerous for all kind of professions, including ones you might expect to be respected due to their usefulness, firefighters, EMT, general practice physicians... funny, IIRC the Insee demographical/statistical institute admitted that its population surveys were not accurate since the surveyors couldn't get safely into theses areas (where there are many illegals furthermore), I wonder if that's the reason there won't be general surveys anymore. It's not really they are very criminalized (though underground economies and organized crime, now heavily north-african after long being corsican or gypsy, are very present, and are actually one reasons they don't blow up more often, because the haschich or stolen goods trade is too profitable) or lawless (they actually follow a mix of gangs culture and muslim traditional society norms), it's that the sovereignety of France and whatever reminds of it is not welcome. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-10-29 15:58 |
| #11 oh well, I didn't know you had Claymores....damn |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-10-29 14:05 |
| #10 "Doesn't prevent getting social benefits or family aid, of course." a5089 - Does this mean the Postman is the only official who is welcome? Or do they have direct deposit? RE: "no go" zones... Premium military / commercial grade concertina wire is on sale this week! We're also running a special: With every 20 rolls, you get a FREE *Claymore! We recommend 3-5 coils interlaced and stacked pyramid-style for free-standing applications such as riot control. We ship worldwide - overnight orders accepted from established customers only - *wink wink* you know who you are! In today's helter-skelter topsy-turvy world we understand the tipping point can be so hard to predict, so don't dither or dawdle - stock up today! See our exciting catalog for more specials! And don't forget to visit our favorite advertisers! (Note: These sites may not be considered 'safe' for viewing by small-minded self-appointed get-a-freaking-life-and-get-over-yourself-already! busybodies.) We accept cash, confirmed wire-transfers, bearer bonds, Caribbean islands, and * M18A1 Claymore - Command mode only, Asshat-Activated models available at additional cost. This item is also available separately. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-10-29 13:31 |
| #9 #2 mous- So tell us how you really feel! HAHA I would only add that France is getting the society they have created and deserve. The antidemocratc socialist apologetic ehtnocentric government is going to allow the next big war to take place in Europe if we are not careful. ********** Let's not forget stupid Lefitst-inspired, bi-lingual, multiculti ed-programs that left North African and Middle Eastern immigrant children at a distinct disadvantage and thus under able to compete effectively. Also, add on France's rotten welfare policies and the enduring effects of a sclerotic Socialism, and this is what you get! Viva la France! Feel the love you F**king Frogs! |
| Posted by: Uleating Wheagum6743 2005-10-29 13:09 |
| #8 cut the welfare for islamo-immigrants, clean out the ghettos - ship their asses home, restore order, by violence when necessary. Or not...and die as a culture and nation |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-10-29 12:40 |
| #7 @ James : I have the bad habit of commenting on Sarko, who by the way is France's interior minister, full-time presidentila wannabe, head of the presidential party and rival of the Shiraq/Galouzeau "de Villepin" (who's a man) duo... since unlike JFM I'm not the deep, knowledgeable type. So my style is gossip and semi-coherent bigoted ranting. See comments in http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=133272&D=2005-10-27 for a general idea of why I don't like this overly ambitious and media-savy guy. This is my personal opinion, perhaps he's the right man to save the right in France I don't know... |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-10-29 12:03 |
| #6 Note that as in most "urban riots" pattern, the rioters targeted symbols of the french authorities: - The mayor office was attacked. - The police station was attacked and IIUC firebombed last night, firefighters had to intervene (plus a shot was fired at a riot police car). - The first-aid station was besieged. and firefighters were stoned and harassed (this is a true classic, calling them into "ambushes" for fun is past time in such areas). - A school was vandalized (relationship with the deaths?). - The social security (in France it's like Medicaid or medicare) center was rammed in by a truck (again, relationship with the deaths?). This in addition to destruction of urban material and the breaking of shop glasses. In normal time, in the "no go" zones, anything reminiscent of official France is prohibited, even bus lines are not safe (stoning, firebombings,... in fjordman I've read the same goes for muslim neibourhoods in northern Europe). I have no idea what are the day-to-day conditions in Clichy-sous-bois, but during the riots, the "no go" policy was enforced. Doesn't prevent getting social benefits or family aid, of course. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-10-29 11:54 |
| #5 Why does Sarkozy think this means that the police need "non-lethal" weapons? Anybody know much about him? |
| Posted by: James 2005-10-29 11:52 |
| #4 If the French are willing to put up with it, they can have it. But this sounds like a civil war coming, and the sooner the better...for the French. |
| Posted by: Unater Spolumble9402 2005-10-29 11:33 |
| #3 Too bad the French don't use the Napoleonic model here. The Corsican rose to prominence by suppressing mobs with a "whiff of grapeshot." |
| Posted by: RWV 2005-10-29 10:21 |
| #2 mous- So tell us how you really feel! HAHA I would only add that France is getting the society they have created and deserve. The antidemocratc socialist apologetic ehtnocentric government is going to allow the next big war to take place in Europe if we are not careful. |
| Posted by: 49 pan 2005-10-29 09:46 |
| #1 Ok, bigoted rant mode on => First case : three non-european teens get ID-controlled by police; they run away, *not* chased by the police; they go hide in a dangerous place labelled as such, and two die, stoopidly, by their own doing. When the firefighters and EMT come in 30 minutes later, they are "greeted" by an angry mob which stones them; police comes, riots ensues; the following night, about 100-400 "youths" (coded word for "non-european" and/or muslim) set fire to 23 cars, drive a stolen truck into the local medicare center, lay siege to the first-aid center, trying to force their way in to get the EMT, stone the riot police, destroy and set fire to urban material. The media comes in, do a large coverage, let the "youths" complain and say this is all the fault of the police, because it harasses them, the socialist mayor asks for an inquiriy to "calm the minds", interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy sez he will meet the families of the two teens and of the wounded one. A second night of rioting ensues, 30 more cars are torched, 23 riots police are hurt, 14 "youths" are arrested. Finally, a silent march ensues, with the same reactions as the first day, locals blame the police for being insensitive (and, implicitely, racist) and the french EDF electricity company for letting the area unguarded; then, the socialists blame the right for being too harsh to young people and having the wrong policy on insecurity. All in all, this is completly SOP¨for urban riot in France, "youths" have the nice habit of rioting, burning cars (30 000 a year),... at the slightest excuse (sometimes just one of their friends being convicted for a crime or another), which explain there are between 800 to 1000 "no go" zones in France where State sovereignty doesn't apply anymore and where the authorities cannot go in without an excessive show of force. Second case, at the same time : a family father stops in the 'hood to snap pictures of a lamp post his society has built; angered by a stranger who takes pictures, 3-4 "youths" come in, and beat him to death in front of his wife and daughter, they get caught the day after because they're masterminds and dood it in front of security cameras. No riot, no burnt car, no declaration by the mayor, no meeting with the interior minister, no silent march, maybe 30 seconds in the teevee news. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-10-29 09:13 |