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Facing draft, Alito joined Army Reserve
2005-11-03
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito joined the Army Reserve while he was a college student because his lottery number had made it likely he would be drafted for the Vietnam War, college roommates said Wednesday.
You mean like when John Kerry joined the Naval Reserve when his student deferment was denied? Oh, that's right, Reserve duty dosen't count when you're a conservative.
Alito was part of the Army's ROTC program during his years at Princeton -- 1968 to 1972 -- a period when the war in Southeast Asia escalated and more American men were drafted.
So, he enrolled in the Reserve Officer Training Program, you know, a college program to train Army officers, and he wasn't planning to join the Army, Reserve or otherwise?
In 1971, President Nixon ended student deferments, increasing the pool of potential military inductees. Four lottery drawings were held during that period in which a birthday and 366 blue plastic capsules dictated the order in which all men of draft age would be called.

In the first drawing, held December 1, 1969, Alito received the lottery number of 32, according to the U.S. Selective Service. Although the military was calling up men with numbers as high as 195, Alito had a student deferment.
Yes, as a student OFFICER!
He participated in the ROTC program and did two summers of training at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and Fort Indiantown Gap in Annville, Pennsylvania. With graduation looming, the student deferment gone and Yale Law School waiting, Alito joined the Army Reserve.
SEE: Reserve Officer Training Program
"It was draft-related," college roommate Mark Dwyer said of Alito's decision. "I joined the teacher preparation program. We were all focused on the draft lottery when those numbers got called. We thought about where we were. "Sam looked like he was sure to be drafted. He said, 'If I'm going into the Army, I might as well be an officer.'"
Uh, dude, why do you think he was in the ROTC?
Another roommate, David Grais, said he remembered Alito had a low lottery number. Upon graduating from Princeton, Alito attended Yale and "did active duty after law school," Grais said.
Which is how the Army trains officers that don't go to West Point
"Judge Alito is proud to have served his country in the U.S. Army Reserves," said Steve Schmidt, a White House spokesman.

Vietnam War service was a critical issue in the 2004 presidential campaign and has shadowed President Bush since the previous campaign.
Only in the minds of his critics
Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968 after graduating from Yale University and questions have been raised about whether efforts were made to get him in the Guard to avoid service in the war. Vice President Dick Cheney received five student and marriage deferments of service during the war.
Democratic Sen. John Kerry, the party's 2004 nominee, volunteered for the Navy and served two tours of duty in Vietnam.
The hell he did, he joined the Naval Reserve and got called up to active duty.
In the questionnaire Alito submitted to the Senate in 1990, when he was up for a seat on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, he wrote of his military service:

"I was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Army upon graduation from college in 1972. After law school, I was on active duty for training from September to December 1975. I was in the Army Reserves from 1972 to 1980, when I was honorably discharged as a captain."
I'll bet he will even let us see his DD-214. How about you, Sen. Kerry?
Documents from Princeton show that Alito, then an Army cadet, received six weeks of "practical application in military leadership at the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps' basic summer camp at Fort Knox, [Kentucky], June 12 to July 23" in 1970. "He will train as a small unit leader and instructor in realistic exercises, and will receive command experience and the opportunity to apply classroom knowledge in the field," the document said. Alito delayed entering the service while at law school..
Like I said, the Army wanted him to get that training as much as he did
and then spent time in 1975 at Fort Gordon, Georgia, for signal officer training. He was on the inactive reserve for a period and then promoted to captain before he was honorably discharged in 1980. The military draft ended in 1973.
And we've been hearing about it and who's service is honorable ever since. DISCLAIMER: I was in Junior ROTC at Smith Vocational High School in Northhampton, Mass just down the road from Amherst with all it's lefty colleges. We got protested against as warmongering highschoolers. Graduated in 1970. We sweated out the draft as well. My number was in the mid three hundreds, so I was safe. Didn't enlist till 1976 after Vietnam. So I guess I'm not qualified to join the court either.
Posted by:Steve

#18  damn - I turned 18 after the draft and before registration ('78) - guess I better never run for anything - oh, I could move to Mass., I guess
Posted by: Frank G   2005-11-03 23:02  

#17  Article: Alito was part of the Army's ROTC program during his years at Princeton -- 1968 to 1972 -- a period when the war in Southeast Asia escalated and more American men were drafted.

This is a typical AP lie. The war escalated until 1968. The Tet Offensive in 1968 crushed the Vietcong. The peak year for American casualties was 1968. It fell every year after that. It may have escalated for the Vietnamese Communists, as a Republican President took the gloves off. But American casualties are presumably the yardstick AP uses to define escalation. And by that standard, AP is lying, as usual.
Posted by: Elmenter Snineque1852   2005-11-03 22:00  

#16  Slick Willy Clinton
Posted by: wxjames   2005-11-03 17:53  

#15  I guess I'm a draft evader, too. I got my draft notice in July, 1965, ordering me to New Orleans for an induction physical. My drill sergeant told me I could ignore it...
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-11-03 15:26  

#14  Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito joined the Army Reserve while he was a college student because his lottery number had made it likely he would be drafted for the Vietnam War, college roommates said Wednesday.

Hell, my draft number was 97, but the Army offered me a college scholarship and a commission, so I took it. You had to be able to do the math to get the damn thing, so it wasn't too much of a leap to take the better deal. I got a BA on it, a MA on the GI Bill, and the taxpayers got 20 years of my life. I've been enjoying 11 years of retirement so far. Then again I haven't been nominated for the court either. I will not run if nominated and will not serve if elected. Good enough for o'Bill [Sherman] its good enough for me :)

Posted by: Hupeasing Anginert3023   2005-11-03 14:39  

#13  If this is the best they can do, it's over, Alito gets confirmed with a comfortable margin.
Posted by: Steve White   2005-11-03 13:33  

#12  We have laws to deal with these people. Rome didn't have legal authority over Carthage.

Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-11-03 12:46  

#11  Violence is always a good answer. Just ask Carthage ;)
Posted by: mmurray821   2005-11-03 12:39  

#10  Time to kill some of them.

No. Violence is not the answer.

Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-11-03 12:27  

#9  He served honorably from 1972 to 1980? The draft ended (not a good day in my opinion) in 1973. I believe the commitment at that time was only for 6 years. You do the math. Sounds like he is a partiot...something the congress certainly won't understand.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-11-03 11:43  

#8  MSM lies and filth. Time to kill some of them.
Posted by: mmurray821   2005-11-03 11:25  

#7  Cracks like tu3031's piss me off. Not two weeks ago I was blown off of this very barstool. I've seen the face of war. It looks like broken bottles of Chivas and Grey Goose. War is hell. I know.
Screw it Achmed. Keep bringing me straight shots.
Posted by: Grizzled War Correspondent   2005-11-03 11:16  

#6  The Leftist-Elites, seeing their cabal in the courts about to end, is resorting to grasping at straws. God forbid I would ever enter public service. My birthday number was drawn 340, and they would probably condemn my mother for doing everying thing in her power to delay my birth, as I was born at 1:00 AM, and the previous day's number was 75. They would say she had a preminition of the situation and did something "unfair" and tried to protect me.
Posted by: BigEd   2005-11-03 11:02  

#5  Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito joined the Army Reserve while he was a college student because his lottery number had made it likely he would be drafted for the Vietnam War, college roommates said Wednesday.

So phuquing what?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-11-03 10:56  

#4  Have CNN's reporter in Baghdad leave the bar at the Palestine and ask some Guard and Reserve guys if they think they're in the real army, which is kinda the inference here, yes?
Posted by: tu3031   2005-11-03 10:55  

#3  And, BTW -- we still don't have all the details of Kerry's service record. Yet the press still plays games like this.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-11-03 10:54  

#2  BIG FREAKIN' DEAL!!! This isn't even a talking point.
Posted by: ARMYGUY   2005-11-03 10:54  

#1  Democratic Sen. John Kerry, the party's 2004 nominee, volunteered for the Navy and served two tours of duty in Vietnam.

OMFG.

Did I read that right? Did the AP, in the course of a story critical of TWO people for joining the Army Reserve, gloss over another person joining the Naval Reserve, describing it as "volunteering"?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-11-03 10:53  

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