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French Question Loyalty of Moslem Troops
2005-11-05
France has been detecting, or at least fearing, loyalty problems among the fifteen percent of its soldiers who are Moslem. The military insists that these second and third generation soldiers of, for the most part, Arab descent, are loyal. But many Christian soldiers, NCOs and officers are not so sure. Harassment of Moslem troops by Christian soldiers is common. There have been no major incidents of soldiers turned terrorists, but the abuse from paranoid soldiers, NCOs and officers might push Moslem soldiers to go bad. This is believed more likely because there are no Moslem chaplains. Thus Moslem soldiers seek spiritual advice from clerics with no military experience, and possible a radical agenda. More worrisome is that radicalized soldiers will leave the army equipped with skills they can use for terrorist attacks.

Posted by:lotp

#6  Only 1/10th would fight for France?

Count the French army out of the fight to take back the banlieus.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-11-05 17:54  

#5  as .com sez: Muslim first
Posted by: Frank G   2005-11-05 17:52  

#4  I'd sure would like to have JFM's thoughts on that, but I guess he's got a life outside WWW (or is busy fending off Antoine at No Pasaran).
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-11-05 15:59  

#3  I know I repeat the same stuff over and over, thus illustrating my lack of knowledge and deep thought (and mad cow disease?), but :

- a survey found that only 1 in 10 muslim teen would fight for France.

- an internal survey by the french army found similar results (don't remember the exact figures, but it was circa 1 in 10 too) when asking if muslim volunteers would fight against a muslim ennemy; one tv reportage about the integration by the army showed young males and females talking about their committment to the army, and, yes, they told they wouldn't fight against "their country" (algeria, Morocco,... possibly extended to any muslim nation).

Btw, french army is which an all-volunteer force modelled after the brit army (that was one of the grand project of Shiraq's first mandate), and a bankrupt one, I might add; a large part of the equipment is not working due to logistical issues (I don't remember the exact numbers I read in an army mag complaing about that, because I'm sub-average, but theses were in the vicinity of 1/3 of X vehicles are not available due to lack of parts, 2/5 of Y,...).

All in all, french army is in very bad shape, low morale, recruitment problems, cohesiveness issues (due to, you guessed, it to an affirmative action drive aiming at recruiting youths from the 'hoods, who bring their "habits" with them... about 20% of french army is now muslim, up to 30-40% in active duty units like paratroopers), political troubles (Michèle Alliot-Marie, probably on behalf of our Dear Leader sacked officers, including a general, due to the death of an ivorian cutthroat while in custody, this is seen as a scapegoating move to bail out of the ivorian quagmire, and possibly as an attack agains tDominique Galouzeau "de Villepin"). The only truly functioning part of our army is a "colonial" force, marines, special forces, some selected units (paratroopers and alpine troops) and foreign legion, which retains high standards.

In relation to the low level urban guerilla around Paris, I've read and am led to believe the army wouldn't be able to step in on a large scale; it could only act in localised spots, and would be unable to counter a massive uprising, and even less fight an counter-insurgency war (like it very successfully did in algeria).
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-11-05 15:58  

#2  "Moslem chaplains" didn't prevent this.

Death For Cowardly Akbar!
By Dave Gibson (07/18/04)

I would like to refresh everyone's memory about a particularly heinous act which occurred in March of 2003. The scene was Camp Pennsylvania, the Army's 101st Division's 1st Brigade Headquarters inside Kuwait. In the wee hours of the morning on Sunday March 23, 32 year old Sgt. Hasan Akbar lobbed several grenades into a tent of his fellow soldiers.

That attack on a tent of sleeping U.S. Army soldiers, which killed two officers is not only sickening--but also strangely absent from the glare of our liberal news media. No great shock that the news media refuses to talk about a Muslim traitor! How thick do you think the coverage would be if it had instead been a white, Christian soldier?

I am stunned and quite puzzled why this Muslim terrorist has not yet been put in front of a firing squad. I know the government is so very afraid of offending everyone, that apparently applies to the people who wish to kill us as well.

This murderous traitor killed two Army officers (Army Captain Christopher Scott Seifert of Easton, Pennsylvania and Air Force Major Gregory Stone of Boise, Idaho), as well as injuring 14 other soldiers who were catching up on some much needed rest. Akbar, turning his back on the country that had fed, clothed, and trained him, cowardly killed these men in their sleep. Does this make anyone else's blood boil?

When this killer joined the Army his name was Tony Kooks, he later changed it to Hasan Akbar after he found his true calling-- becoming a Muslim murderer! Such a true coward!

I have two questions...Why has the media completely dropped this story? The more troubling one is...Why are we keeping this traitor alive? I cannot think of any other time in U.S. history when a soldier committing this kind of act, would not have either been immediately killed or brought before a military board and summarily executed. Can you imagine an Airborne unit in 1944 allowing this murderer to see the next morning?

The answer as to why the taxpayers are still feeding this Muslim terrorist does not lie with the Army... but with the politicians who tell them what to do. What a shame!

The only place suitable for Hasan Akbar is in front of a firing squad. My question is when or if this nation's government will have the guts to do it? If they do not follow 'war time law' and kill this coward, may they then be haunted by the ghosts of Captain Christopher Scott Seifert and Major Gregory Stone...Yes, the victims do have names and undoubtedly devastated loved-ones.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-11-05 14:37  

#1  Yeah, if Muzzies go bad, it's the Christian's fault.
Posted by: Elmeaper Shuque2319   2005-11-05 14:30  

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