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DeVillepain's opening offer
2005-11-08
Mr de Villepin stressed the government's first priority was to restore calm and stop the nightly violence in the cities and suburbs. He announced:
Continuing large-scale police deployments, including 1,500 extra reserve officers, in troubled areas

Swift and effective justice for all law-breakers

A judicial inquiry into the deaths of two teenagers in Clichy-sous-Bois, Paris, which sparked the riots

New powers for the mayors of French cities and municipalities, to impose curfews and maintain order

A restoration of spending programmes (recently cut back) on community associations of all kinds, to promote social solidarity
Community leaders from France's main ethnic minorities have demanded new laws to end discrimination in jobs and housing, and an end to what they say is police harassment. They resent police searches for "sans-papiers" - illegal immigrants - and the constant threat of deportation hanging over them. They also want the right to vote, even for those without French citizenship. In response, Mr de Villepin proposed:
A tripling of state scholarships in poor areas, and increased spending on training schemes for under-achieving young people. Some 150,000 children, mainly from immigrant families, are leaving school without any qualifications

A lowering to 14 of the age when children wanting to quit school can begin an apprenticeship; this idea was at once criticised by some teachers' leaders

More company job training schemes in problem areas. Immigrants with a college degree complain they rarely even get job interviews because of blatant discrimination

An urban renewal programme, re-building districts damaged by the riots and building more humane living environments

More, unspecified, sanctions to counter social discrimination of all kinds
The prime minister skirted round the highly sensitive issue of Islam, the religion of the great majority of the immigrants and their offspring. Many French Muslims demand more public recognition by the state, and resent the law which bans the wearing of Muslim headscarves. Mr de Villepin said only that in France all faiths were respected. He acknowledged public concerns about the growth of radical Islamic thinking, but played down the urgency of the issue.
With all the commentary on the intifada in France, one thing that has been lost, until Dominique's statement today, is this: no longer can the French lord their superior social welfare system over us peon Americans. The French statist social welfare model provided unemployment compensation, job training, education, health care, retirement pension, maternity leave, paternity leave, go-fishing leave, and so on, and all you had to do was put up with stifling taxes and a loss of economic mobility. That was the deal and the French were proud of it, particularly when compared to the dog-eat-dog Americans.

And the French also considered their social model to be superior to ours in terms of race: everyone was a Frenchman, and the French didn't even keep racial statistics, because they didn't need to. They didn't have racial tension (don't mind those Algerians across the street), they didn't have concentrated poverty like Gary and New Orleans, and they for darned sure didn't have race riots like Watts and Detroit.

And now it's been demonstrated to be a lie. A whole sub-population of young people are SOL with no future prospects, and they're mad as hell. They were never included in the social welfare model, and they've been discriminated against every day. The fact that most of these people are Muslim and Arab or African is a part of it, but not all of it. Even more 'moderate' Arabs, Berbers, Africans, etc shoved into these dreadful suburbs are mad as hell. The French coppers brutalize them on a regular basis. The French employers refuse to consider them. The French government shoves them into high-rise filing cabinets and then slam the doors shut. And all the while they hear pious crap about how wonderful life is in France, crap that they know is a lie from start to finish.

So it's no surprise that there are riots on top of despair and casual violence. Now throw in some trecherous Muslim leaders, budding Islamist terrorists, organized gangs, drug-dealers, gun runners, and ineffecutal community 'leaders', and you have suburbs full of angry, don't-give-a-shit people. Toss in police that are alternately brutal and cowardly, politicans that are corrupt and gutless, and a French public that hates the Arabs in a visceral way, and you have a disaster in the making.

I have no doubt the French will -- eventually -- get things under control. For now. But they don't have the ability we've had to be critical of themselves and fix their problems. We had race riots. We figured out why and we're doing better (hard to tell sometimes).

We're capable of addressing our problems. The French aren't. It shows.
Posted by:Shock Unavick3057

#23  --They also didnt have Slavery as a founding institution of their national identity.--

But they did have the ships to ply that trade, didn't they, bk.
Posted by: anonymous2u   2005-11-08 22:31  

#22  Not necessarily ex-lib. Doc alluded to a Go-fishing time off. If that's true, I'm willing to give this social model another look.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-11-08 17:16  

#21  I realize I'm preaching to the choir. :)
Posted by: ex-lib   2005-11-08 16:40  

#20  A little bit of hard labor under the supervision of a Moslem foreman with a gun might go a long way.

BTW, the hardcore Islamists LOVE guys like de Villepin, who are so entrenched in their own "take" on the world, that it's inconceivable to him that the Muzzies don't care about what he cares about.

Culture must be defended against the forces that seek it's destruction. In other words, the ability to enjoy one's wine and cheese depends on one's commitment to protect the enjoyment of one's wine and cheese. These things aren't "givens," they're earned.
Posted by: ex-lib   2005-11-08 16:39  

#19  LOL Azcat.

JFM's post is VERY informational and spot-on. A must read. It's impossible to understand what's really going on (i.e., Shock's stuff is to be taken with a grain of salt) without understanding the inner workings of the families/values they grow up with. The Moslem men ARE whiny brats who are "kings" at home from an early age, and when they come of age are only able to show what useless specimens of immaturity they truly are. Jobs won't help. They don't want to WORK. And as JFM says they especially don't want to work for infidels. I would suggest that Turkey and Pakistan import them all and use them to fix up after the earthquakes.
Posted by: ex-lib   2005-11-08 16:33  

#18  RJ's 3 point plan.
(1) Send in the military and crush these areas. Go house to house to mosque and arrest anyone who cannot prove they are French, and who has had any involvement in the riots.
(2) Leave the areas in ruins, as occupied territories, for months without promises of rebuilding to let the inhabitants know what they have caused.
(3) Offer to help anyone emigrate out of France who so desires.
Posted by: rjschwarz (no T!)   2005-11-08 15:13  

#17  Sea, I'll take his word for it. I'm not getting close enough to check.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-11-08 14:50  

#16  They resent police searches for "sans-papiers" - illegal immigrants - and the constant threat of deportation hanging over them.
I agree that worrying about the constant threat of deportation is a terrible thing. Best to get it over with quickly and not worry anymore.

Seriously though, if someone is trying to kill me I don't really care if he has a legitimate beef or not--I will try to stop him by any means necessary. Is that a hard concept for deVillepin?
Posted by: James   2005-11-08 14:46  

#15  JFM, Nail and head spring to mind.
Posted by: Mctavish Mcpherson   2005-11-08 12:11  

#14  BK... all of that, .....and yet they still want to come here by the millions. Amazing isn't it?
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-11-08 11:39  

#13  They didn't have racial tension (don't mind those Algerians across the street), they didn't have concentrated poverty like Gary and New Orleans, and they for darned sure didn't have race riots like Watts and Detroit.

They also didnt have Slavery as a founding institution of their national identity.
Posted by: bk   2005-11-08 11:34  

#12  So, good news. Does this mean midnight basketball is NOT dead? Muzzi hi-fives all around.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-11-08 10:54  

#11  A restoration of spending programmes (recently cut back) on community associations of all kinds, to promote social solidarity

Good heavens, these people are IDIOTS.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-11-08 10:49  

#10  Lawrence of Eurabia. Somebody call David Lean.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-11-08 10:41  

#9  What would happen if they decide to go the gangsta route in August, while every one else is on holiday?
Posted by: Capsu78   2005-11-08 10:24  

#8  Somebody get that man (?) a white flag.
Posted by: mojo   2005-11-08 10:12  

#7  So it is racism who has stirred the poooooor "jeunes". Pleeeeeeeease.

The truth is that in French society racism is something very politically uncorrect and the truth is that the rise of the Front National followed and not preceeded the massive rise in crime who accompanied immigration.

The truth is also that there is a very good reason for the police "harrassing" the people who look North-African and/or wear some type of clothing: the fact that many North-Africans or African Blacks are illegal immigrants (enough with the idiotic "undocumented immigrants" BS), the high rate of crime beteween them (police is supposee to arrest criminals isn't it?) or the fact they usually travel without paying when they board the public transportation system.

If they are just poor discriminated victims of racism then explain why the Chinese thrive (and have coped the market for reselling computer parts), why the Vietnamese aren't harrassed, why the Blacks in teh Evangelist school 1 mile from where I live look reasonably prosperous, happy (and well dressed, no gangsta dressing).

And don't try to make me cry about the rate of unemployment. Thet fact is most of them don't get jobs becauise they are basically unemployable. I will pass upon the problems in a company who hires an employee who is a half-serious muslim (1) ie a man who believes he has no orders to receive from a woman or even from a male kaffir (cf the many excerpts in Koran, Haddiths and Shariah telling that infidels should not be in position of giving orders to Muslims). The fact is that in 4eme (in US terms must be 7th or 8th frade) most of them are still unable to handle so simple notions as proportionality (1), that they show disrespect for professors (including sexual propositions to female professors) or that they flatly refuse to study "anti-islamic" lessons like the building of cathedrals or the Holocaust. There is a class of north-african kids who dont do bad at school: the girls. But for the boys, they are immersed in a spoiled brat mentality (3) and do nothing at school. So any wonders if later they can get no job better than floor cleaner? But someone raised as a spoiled brat will be quick to accuse racism for him not getting the superpaying job or more exactly the superpaying position (no work required)

(1) ie I have a rectangle of 6x4 and a second one who is similar but lenght is 12 instead of 6. Calculate the width. An enormous proportion of those kids are unable to solve the problem.

(2) Of the mainstream variety. I am not referring to Ahmedists, Allawites or Ismaelists.

(3) A woman of Muslim extraction tells in her book how boys are allowed to push their daughters out of their chairs even when they are much older. The boy is king at home. Then he goes to into a world where he isn't.
Posted by: JFM   2005-11-08 09:50  

#6  Are you sure he's a man?
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-11-08 09:47  

#5  You know, it would be a great thing for the French public that "hates Arabs in a visceral way" to demonstrate that by expelling the lot of them back to countries of origin. That NEEDS to happen someplace in Europe so that the Muzzies get the message, loud and clear, that their violent refusal to assimilate will not be tolerated one moment longer. Bad as that sounds, the alternative (Final Solution, anyone?) stands to be MUCH worse. These people need a real club to the head/kick to the nuts to see the light and if it doesn't come soon, the delusion of grandeur they're living under may well cause them to do something that ends up having most of them incinerated by nuclear weapons.
Posted by: mac   2005-11-08 09:41  

#4  Where's the sprocket?

Are the white things bandages to be unwrapped after he's wounded?

And who does he think he's looking at? Joanne of Arc?

Great pic. Wonder what the one after he becomes el-Presidente will look like.
Posted by: Flase Glurt1003   2005-11-08 09:09  

#3  That pic of Dom-with-the-sash reminded me that he (and the rest of France's leadership) was a child of '68. To them the current riots are just an updated version and therefore to be tolerated (if not cheered). The wolf will eat them last.
Posted by: Spot   2005-11-08 08:42  

#2  Appeasing coward.

"Swift and effective justice for all law-breakers"

Lol, that's a classic.
Posted by: .com   2005-11-08 02:35  

#1  Train the yoots for jobs that don't exist, offload the cost onto private industry, build a shiny new bureaucracy to oversee it all, and rebuild the yoots own neighborhoods that they're torching now. Something about snowballs and warm climates comes immediately to mind.
Posted by: AzCat   2005-11-08 01:24  

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