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| France sees the first signs of slowdown in violence |
| 2005-11-09 |
| For the first time in nearly two weeks France saw a clear fall in the number of overnight attacks Wednesday, raising cautious hopes that the worst wave of urban unrest since May 1968 might be receding. According to interior ministry figures, there were 617 car-burnings across the country, compared to more than 1,100 the night before. "It is a very significant drop," said Claude Gueant, a senior aide to interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy. ... However Gueant said that some 300 people were detained overnight across the country, bringing to around 1,800 the number of arrests since the start of the disturbances. ... Meanwhile, in neighboring Germany 11 vehicles were were set ablaze overnight Wednesday in the cities of Berlin and Cologne, while in Belgium 10 cars were torched in three towns, but it was unclear if there was any connection with the riots sweeping France. |
| Posted by:ed |
| #13 The Paristinian Intefadeh will end when either Chirac grows a pair or the 'yutes' run out of things to burn. |
| Posted by: DMFD 2005-11-09 20:52 |
| #12 Europeans are some of the most effective killers in world history and have shown an ability to go medieval when required. The islamic rioters are treading a dangerous line. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2005-11-09 16:24 |
| #11 One might as well lump France and Spain together for their lackluster resistance to terrorist coercion. Both have effectually caved in to the demands of a tiny but highly destructive minority. Their combined surrenders have set the stage for an epidemic of similar events. Europe had better come to its senses and demonstrate a much more intense resolve when confronted with any more of this thuggery. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2005-11-09 15:21 |
| #10 Any country beset by violence from Mooselimb factions should put these thugs in rowboats at the ocean's shore, push them off, and tell them to find a country that will put up with their bullshit--and good wishes that their boats sink before they find another country. |
| Posted by: Omump Ebbuth4041 2005-11-09 12:06 |
| #9 4485, The Brits will put up more of a fight than the French surrender monkeys. At least in T Blair we have a leader who has seen the danger we face and has the nuts to stand up to Islamofacism. |
| Posted by: Mctavish Mcpherson 2005-11-09 11:44 |
| #8 This will not become an annual event. If France now goes to full dhimmitude, it will be the end. But there will be tons given to the little mos by the French in the meantime. It just won't be enough for the Mohammedan Jesse Jacksons who will arise in the ghettos. Because the French efforts will probably be "insufficient", next May there will be another episode, coordinated with the socialists/unions to shut down the country a la '68 and to threaten the summer tourism influx. If the French put it down ferociously, as they still can, that might be the end and result in an exodus of Mohammadans. If it fails, there will be some political settlement that transfers power to the Mohammedans. At that point, they will start to infiltrate the establishment and lay low for years until they think things are ready for the next substantial power grab. That will probably by being the swing power in forming a parliamentary coalition. From that they will start imposing more and more sharia, at first in their own communities and later by demanding respect for Sharia even in cirucmstances in which no mohammedans are involved. In the mean time, I expect to see more Car-B-Qs thereafter in Spain, Italy and perhaps Britain. Each will be tested for response until they cave. The Danes will be last. |
| Posted by: Glaiter Ebbulet4485 2005-11-09 10:45 |
| #7 French TV screens which now favor scenes involving disenfranchised youths who repeat endlessly that they are victims of unemployment and racism. That's the same BS I saw late night on SeeBS. TV Showed a few rock throwers and then an interview with "yoots" claiming it's all French racism's fault, then an "expert" interview claiming the same thing and the solution is to shovel Euros to the perpetrators (with a cut for the bureaucrats). |
| Posted by: ed 2005-11-09 09:44 |
| #6 Btw, I still haven't gone to my "usual suspects" websites, but from what I've read in the recent days, violence against people clearly have been under-reported (but then again french msm are under-reporting this in an incredible way and push the "social" explanation, in which french society is to blame for the "justifiable anger of the youths"). From testimonies and reports of bits buried in page 6 of local press, I've read that rioters several time volontary tried to set "civilians" on fire, that a woman had a miscarriage when her bus was attacked with firebombs, that a 13 months baby was severely wounded at the head by stones, *lots* of police officers were hurt (for example one who lost his hand at the beginning of the riots, or a group of rookies, including females, who were "massacred" by a mob who trapped them,...) See http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/ French MSM covers up what is, in fact, a pogrom posted by U*2 @ 4:14 AM If you think that French media are downplaying the extent of the actual violence and damage, you are right. Quite a bit of hard news is not being reported both by design and by the circumstances on the ground. State TV has already decided to stop repeating the number of cars burned every day and film crews (particularly white French film crews) are being chased from the suburbs after having their vehicles and equipment torched. The only journalists currently operating freely and without armed escort are from Algerian newspapers (El Watan has been cited as an example). Callers on talk radio are starting to reveal what MSM is censuring: the racist, Islamist nature of the ongoing uprising. State TV has already manipulated reports, albeit hamfistedly. The most notable example was the bait-and-switch reports about the handicapped woman doused with gasoline and burned by rioters. Every attempt was made to have viewers believe that race was not an issue. The Socialist Mayor of Noisy le Grand, speaking on France Culture radio yesterday morning claimed that in his city women were dragged from their cars by their hair and, for all intense and purposes, stoned by rampaging youths (il a employé le terme "quasi lapidées" en fwançais). He also reported that molotov cocktails were thrown into people's homes. He then asked the Army to intervene. The host, somewhat shocked that a Socialist mayor would use such language on a live State radio broadcast, stammered for a few seconds. The reports have since slipped into a French media memory hole. On a State TV France5 talk show, an Algerian writer living in Paris expressed shock at the scenes coming in from the suburbs where jellaba clad big brothers step in to calm youths and negotiate with police. He stated that such images reminded him of the happenings in Islamist neighborhoods of Algiers circa late 80s and early 90s. These images, very common in the first days of the riots, have now vanished from French TV screens which now favor scenes involving disenfranchised youths who repeat endlessly that they are victims of unemployment and racism. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-11-09 09:28 |
| #5 #1 When the dust settles, Prediction: This will become an annual event, with Chirac and de Villepin leading throngs of chanting Arabs down the Champs? (Dominique is working on a name - Intifada a la francaise??? no, no, no, too military....) Dominique, Dominique, lets have a look at those demanDs once again, shall we? AMNESTY for all those arrested in the disturbances in last 2 weeks; USA must join the ICC and give up its security council veto; EU must withdraw from WTO and develop closer ties with Arab countries; EU must formally state that the USA must withdraw from IRaq and all military bases in the region; redirect economy and budgets away from war and weapons production and BUILD INSTEAD a Europe and a region open to all and pursuing social equity and social harmony as equals. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2005-11-09 09:26 |
| #4 OT : JFM, could you go the "Nuit noire" thread, pleeze? I think you're needed there, and I didn't do a good job, only a long, semi-coherent rant... As for the church, this is only the *third* to be firebombed (as well as two synagogues, note theses are protected by the police, I wonder why, perhaps the rioters have "issues" beyond their "social despair"(tm)...) . |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-11-09 09:11 |
| #3 Sort of. A 53 years old is in critical condition after an object was thrown on him from fifteenth floor. There have been a number of busses torched and a 10,000 square meter store who sold carpets and wallpaper is no more. So in fact the pattern is less torched cars but more high value targets. Ah, and they tried to burn a protestant church. |
| Posted by: JFM 2005-11-09 09:04 |
| #2 I've concluded that there are only two things the French government can do that will end the strife. The first is to spend vast sums of money and totally re-design their society, replacing ghettos with integrated homogeneous housing. Highly unlikely. The second is either mass deportations of all of those caught rioting. Not ethnic cleansing, more like Devil's Island. And not as a penal colony, though conviction and transportation might be the criminal genesis. Just send them there to live, warehousing them outside of France, rather than in France proper. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2005-11-09 08:59 |
| #1 When the dust settles, and the French people have the opportunity to survey the mayhem-ravaged landscape, I wonder what they will conclude. Or, more to the point, I'm afraid of what they won't conclude. |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2005-11-09 08:51 |