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Southeast Asia
Five held over beheading of Indonesia schoolgirls
2005-11-10
Indonesian officers have detained five people, including a former soldier, over the beheading last month of three teenage Christian girls in the volatile eastern region of Poso, security officials said on Wednesday. Andi Mallarangeng, a spokesman for President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, said the attacks, as well as a separate incident on Tuesday evening when unidentified gunmen shot and critically wounded two schoolgirls, were an attempt to reignite religious violence in the area. All but one of the victims have been Christian.

The beheadings, which occurred a few days before a major Muslim holiday, triggered an outcry across Indonesia as well as in Poso, a regency on Sulawesi island where sectarian fighting raged from 1998 to 2001. "The role of these five people is still being investigated by police officers," said deputy national police spokesman Soenarko Artanto, adding no suspect had been named in the case.

He refused to clarify whether the army was holding the five. The military have claimed credit for capturing four of them. "Four people have been captured by members of battalion 714 and they will be handed over to the police. Three of them are civilians while another is a former military policeman," said Maj. Gen. Kohirin Suganda, the Indonesian military's chief spokesman, referring to the Poso-based infantry unit. Suganda said the capture took place a few days ago. President Susilo was quoted by Andi as urging residents not to engage in revenge attacks and ordering security forces to bring the perpetrators to justice.
I suggest the government try them, convict them, and execute them by cutting their heads off. Do it quick.
Posted by:Fred

#14  Then you support Bush's unrelenting strong-arm tactics in the WOT, right Zen?

If Indonesia out and out waxes Bashir, they will have too much to deal with in terms of reactions. Ache has just settled down and has gained a lot of respect for the US because of the tidal wave aftermath help. And they were radical. Besides, Bashir's not the only one blabbing that the US should be destroyed by any means possible. Shutting him down completely can have the opposite effect of strengthening his voice. Solitary confinement doesn't sound too bad, but they couldn't do it forever without legal justification.
Posted by: ex-lib   2005-11-10 23:17  

#13  Bashir is an anomaly for a bunch of reasons ...

I'll stop "fixating" on Bashir when Indonesia finds a way to make sure that millions of other Muslims no longer have the chance to fixate upon him as well. Bashir's anomalistic status makes it essential that he is neutralized, post haste.

Somehow, Bashir was allowed to release a statement justifying the use of nuclear weapons against the West. How many millions of Muslim minds were infected with this mass-murdering bile? I remain concerned about Bashir because he is both a pivot point and prime mover for JI and Southeast Asian terrorism in general.

When Indonesia either executes him or, at least, places this maggot in solitary confinement, I'll begin to soften my stance about just how dedicated they are with respect to fighting terrorism. Until then, the constant reports of near misses, corruption and lackadasical enforcement just don't cut any ice with me.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-11-10 15:45  

#12  This atrocity is an atavistic throwback to a pre-civilized state. No cause or grievance just the thrill of the kill loosely justified by religion or creed. Nazism, Islam, communism, lunatic liberation theologies, give license to the nutcase, the sadist, the truly cruel as only a human being can be.
Posted by: Bardo   2005-11-10 15:05  

#11  No, "al'Qaeda casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq" are not "police/prosecutorial type action". My point is not that Indonesia's military is fighting side by side with us, although they are a lot more sympathetic to us than a lot of other countries (France, Russia, etc., for example). My point is simply that in terms of tracking down suspects, arresting them, convicting them, and imposing some serious sentences (including DEATH), Indonesia can hardly be called lax. Bashir is an anomaly for a bunch of reasons, but none of those reasons will prevent Indonesia from reducing and eliminating him in the long run, IMO.
Posted by: cingold   2005-11-10 14:49  

#10  Gee, cingold, I think you left out al'Qaeda casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-11-10 14:33  

#9  Say, if you look at the Indonesian DEATH sentences for terror crimes _versus_ Western DEATH sentences for terror crimes, what's the ratio?

0 : 25
1 : 25
4 : 50

or

4 : 0 It is 4:0, isn't it? Add to that the @ssh@ts they closed in on who "went out fighting," and it's, what, 7:0 (as far as police/prosecutorial type action)?

My point? Stop fixating on Bashir. By the way, since they re-arrested him (at the point of release) the last time he was released (after serving a prior sentence), what makes you think they won't do that again? Or find some other way of "handling" him?
Posted by: cingold   2005-11-10 13:28  

#8  So what will the sentence be? 3 months (opps - Muslim Holiday, better make that 2 1/2 - oh wait, here's another make that 2, and then we have the 'Mohamand takes a shit' holiday so make that 2 1/2...).
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-11-10 12:20  

#7  Lemee see, it took 5 rag-head terrorists to get together to kidnap and murder 3 little girls. Geez - they aren't very efficient are they?

Perhaps upon their conviction they can be beheaded, and their heads mounted on street lamps.
Posted by: BigEd   2005-11-10 12:09  

#6  " . . . an attempt to reignite religious violence in the area."

These acts are designed to destabilize the pro-Western government under Yudhoyono. By attacking innocents (like in London, like in Jordan, like in the US) the terrorists' goal is to turn the average citizens against their governments.

Indonesia is a fledgling democracy (democracy--that's a good thing), and while everyone's sentiments about executing these idiot terrorists are shared by me, to do so without trial plays into their hands. The Indonesians are attempting to follows the rule of law. They have arrested and convicted more terrorists than we have. We should be building economic/political bridges with any country's government that is fighting the "islamic" terrorists.
Posted by: ex-lib   2005-11-10 11:23  

#5  Right,
I suggest any muzzies flicking through this site take a look at this incident where someone sawed off 3 schoolgirls heads, I guess the perpetrators thought they were doing gods work here, and Im sure if you dug deep enough you could find a line from the koran to justify it. Take a minute to look at the racist genocide, caused in the name of your religion and just consider was mohammed really telling the truth? Islam has been at war with everyone, including itself for 1400 years.

JOHN 10:10
The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. (ASV)

O My children, do not be deceived by the ways of satan that he sets among you. He will not come to you so that he will be recognized immediately. He will come to you as an angel of light. He will give you all that appeals to your human nature, but it will sicken your immortal soul

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves..

Posted by: Kent Mccord   2005-11-10 04:35  

#4  More than anything, the finding of conclusive prosecutable results within the next couple of days weeks months seasons years decades eras centuries millennia eons.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-11-10 04:25  

#3  Beheading after having their bellies ripped open and intestines fed to dogs while they are still alive.

Liver, with fava beans and a nice chianti...
Posted by: Hannibal Lecter   2005-11-10 01:21  

#2  No trial. Summary and public execution. Right in front to the muzzie masses. Beheading after having their bellies ripped open and intestines fed to dogs while they are still alive. Just like in merrie old England back in the day.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-11-10 00:48  

#1  What sort of "quickening" did these islamo-nuts expect to get from beheading teenage girls?
Posted by: 3dc   2005-11-10 00:15  

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