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Home Front: Politix
Feingold Says Bush Is Acting Like 'King George'
2005-12-19
Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisc., believes President Bush is acting more like a sovereign monarch than an elected leader by authorizing the National Security Agency to listen in on Americans' phone calls. "We have a system of law," Feingold said. "He just can't make up the law 
 It would turn George Bush not into President George Bush, but King George Bush."
If Bush hadn't been monitoring enemy communications, both into and out of the country — and within it — he'd be an idiot. And when we got attacked again, it would be people like Feingold who'd be screaming for his head for incompetence.
The issue lies in the interpretation of the Afghanistan resolution passed by Congress following the World Trade Center attacks on 9/11. The eavesdropping issue came to the forefront when The New York Times reported Friday that the NSA has been listening to domestic phone calls to foreign countries since 2002. In a televised radio address Saturday, Bush said he has reauthorized the NSA's new powers over 30 times since 9/11, and "intend(s) to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al Qaeda and related groups." The president, and members of his staff including Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and White House counsel Harriet Miers, reevaluate the spying every 45 days. Bush said the surveillance helps catch terrorists and is within the scope of his Constitutional powers.
If you don't believe, or don't want to believe that there are terrs working in the country, then you can make lots of political hay out of that. If you've been paying any attention for the past four years you know the terrs are there. Only if you can't conceive of the terrs winning or — and this is what I think is probably the case — you think the fight can be put off until your party's the one in power in the Sweet By and By can you feel comfortable playing fast and loose with national security. I don't think goofs like Feingold take the War on Terror seriously because it's far, far away. The WTC bodies are cold and the attention span has long since run out. Pfeh.
Indeed, the only way the Dems reaction to this non-affair make any sense is if you assume they don't believe there is really a War on Terror. Their response, particularly people like Pelosi and Feingold, displays the usual liberal attitude: the WoT should be a law-enforcement affair only, with lawyers, prosecutors, and judges, all carefully circumscribed and careful. We wouldn't want to violate someone's civil rights, after all. The WoT is much more than simple law enforcement, of course, and that's one reason why you listen in on what the bad guys are doing. It's about stopping them BEFORE they strike, figuring out their chain of command and organizational chart, learning the players, and finding weaknesses you can exploit with new operations. Once you get that, you understand why the NSA wants to listen in. They don't get it.
Since the Watergate scandal during the Nixon administration, the executive branch's power has been significantly restrained, Bush administration officials say. It has been the mission of White House officials such as Vice President Dick Cheney to reassert executive power. Bush claims the eavesdropping was done with Congress's blessing. "Leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this authorization and the activities conducted under it," he said in Saturday's address.
Which is what makes me consider this entire hoorah nothing but politix as usual, and politix at its smelliest.
According to the Risen article in the NYT on Friday, Sen. Rockefeller expressed 'concerns' at some point in one of these briefings early on. The response of the Bush administration? They temporarily suspended the program and adjusted some of the procedures. Ditto when the Foreign Intelligence Service Court Judge expressed concerns: procedures were re-worked. When DoJ career attorneys expressed concerns about linking NSA intel to criminal prosecution, the AG stepped in and ensured that proper procedures were followed. That doesn't sound like a runaway operation, now does it?
Nonetheless, ABC News chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos sees the controversy shaping up as a "full-scale political war."
Which is, of course, much more important than the war on the turbans.
"War on the Turbans" has a nice ring to it, dontcha think? Gets right to the point.
Democratic leaders like Representative Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., have sent letters to the president to protest the eavesdropping revelation, Stephanopoulos said.
Rockefeller is a full-fledged hypocrite: he is on the Senate Intel Committee. He knew about this from day one. The Risen article notes his previous concerns. If he thought this was illegal, why didn't he say so?
Posted by:Fred

#15  I guess I'm wrong then. That doesn make me sorry.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-12-19 23:36  

#14  There are "two kinds of people" with whom we all associate, those with whom we agree, and those with whom we may not agree. I do not agree with socialists of any flavour or nationality. It would appear to me that a great lot of the leftest media and liberal polititions in this country are inspired or championed by Hollywood movie moguls, ACLU lawyers, or socialists of a similiar nature. I suppose it could be mere coincidence that many of them they share the same faith, but I doubt it. I'll apologize to no one. You are welcome to disagree.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-12-19 23:18  

#13  You're making it worse, Besoeker, dear.

Admit you were tactless and apologise like an honourable man, because clearly you think there are two kinds of Jewish people: those that agree with you, and the other kind. This does not strike me as antisemitism. Especially if you agree that there are lots of the other kind of people who are not Jewish. And lots of those who agree with you who also aren't Jewish. Then let's move on, because you've been posting a great many interesting and informative things lately, and I'd really hate for you to annoy our good moderators out of sheer clumsiness.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-12-19 22:58  

#12  Geez, appears old the old Besoeker opened up a can of worms. I have the greatesty admiration for the State of Israel and the struggle they have gone through from 1947 until now. I definately believe Hitler was responsible for the death of 6m Jews and others during WWII. But I also believe there is an American Jewish segment of our population in America that hates our form of democracy and believes liberal socialism of the Soviet order is the road we should travel. If you study the Russian revolution closely, before the entrance of Stalin, you may see the link.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-12-19 22:35  

#11  The answer to Besoeker's question is: because so many people changed their name from Feuchtschwanz when they came over from Germany in the years following 1848. You'll find feuchtschwanz in the big German dictionary. You know, the one you used to use as a booster seat when Susie was little, 'cause it was too big to be a doorstop. Because it isn't a very nice word, that's why.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-12-19 22:21  

#10  Such comments used to be deleted

Any repeats and they will be.

We try not to delete trolling remarks, preferring to ridicule them instead. Remarks that edge towards hatred and incitement are a bit different and, as Pappy noted, that one is edging pretty close to the line.

But it's also important to note that the Burg is a place where strong opinions are generally welcomed, with the few exceptions mentioned above.
Posted by: lotp   2005-12-19 21:26  

#9  Why is it so many "Americans," lawyers, politicians, et al, with last names that end in "gold" or "stein" hate America and our leadership so much?

Fine line you're treading there, Besoeker.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-12-19 21:13  

#8  Such comments used to be deleted.
Posted by: Phinert Cromoting9007   2005-12-19 21:05  

#7  And yes, that goes for hate aimed at Muslims, Arabs or any other group as a group.

Snark all you want at stupidity, denounce murderous terror thugs and inciting imams, but let's leave it at that.
Posted by: lotp   2005-12-19 20:43  

#6  Besoeker, RB is a place for rants, for snark, for serious debate -- but not for antisemitism, racism or any other hate-based ideology.

Even if it's phrased genteely.

If you didn't mean it that way, then please retract your comment. And if you did mean it that way, it's out of bounds here at the Burg.
Posted by: lotp   2005-12-19 20:41  

#5  Besoeker wrote: Why is it so many "Americans," lawyers, politicians, et al, with last names that end in "gold" or "stein" hate America and our leadership so much?

Ummm, nice imitation of Cynthia McKinney
Posted by: DMFD   2005-12-19 20:12  

#4  Feingold Says Bush Is Acting Like 'King George'

Well, I say Feingold is acting like Stalin! With his (joined by McCain) campaign-finance bill on political speech, they seriously hampered free speech, in my mind (although, there was the standard loophole for moveon.org, etc.).
Posted by: BA   2005-12-19 10:40  

#3  Why is it so many "Americans," lawyers, politicians, et al, with last names that end in "gold" or "stein" hate America and our leadership so much?
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-12-19 10:38  

#2  Senator Russ was sort of liberal in high school (he was a year behind me) and an excellant debater. He really didn't turn socialist until he went to school at UW Madison (20 square miles surrounded by reality)in the early 70's, although his dad was a "Bob LaFollette Progressive". Nice kid, too bad he went down the "other path".
Posted by: hedge_hog   2005-12-19 09:45  

#1  The NSA and the CIA arent local cops outside your house with their ear to a drinking glass on you livingroom window. They arent listening in on people who are trying to sell a $50 bag of pot. They are trying to catch or derail terrorist plots. We're talking missiles and bombs here people, not the petty bullshit the ACLU's members are worried about getting caught for. The day those assholes flew into the twin towers our lives changed forever. We may never have the liberties we once did, but that is preferable, I think, to having a suitcase nuke go off in Los Angeles.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2005-12-19 09:18  

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