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Climate summit challenges Kyoto's approach
2006-01-10
Hat tip to Orrin Judd.
SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA – The inaugural two-day summit of what many see as an American-led alternative to the Kyoto climate treaty convenes Wednesday in Sydney. Formed this past July, the new bloc brings together the US, China, India, Australia, South Korea, and Japan. These six nations are responsible for more than 40 percent of the world's greenhouse gases, which many scientists say cause global warming.

Unlike the Kyoto Protocol, which sets emissions targets for nations, the new Asia-Pacific Partnership for Clean Development and Climate aims to reduce emissions voluntarily through the transfer of emerging technologies - including "clean coal," burial of carbon dioxide, and next-generation nuclear power - from industrialized nations to the developing world.

The pact's advocates argue it is a more realistic approach than Kyoto, and commits many of the major nations not yet bound by Kyoto quotas to at least the principle of reducing emissions. The effectiveness of this effort, however, may ride on whether the high-tech systems can be developed fast enough and made commercially enticing for businesses not otherwise compelled to adopt greener methods.
The six countries will have to buy in, create markets, and push the tech envelope on this one. We'll have to deal with the fundamentalist environmentalists, who insist that fossils fuels and nuclear power are equally evil.
Don Henry, the executive director of the Australian Conservation Foundation in Melbourne, says that a pact based on voluntary action has no teeth. "We have realized after 50 years of tackling the pollution problem that to be [effective] we need laws, not just voluntary agreements."
Look how well Kyoto's working with all it's laws and regulations.
Experts say that most technology transfers under consideration are not yet commercially viable, and will require millions of dollars in subsidies or investment. Some are still in the research phase. This first meeting will be an attempt by all the six countries to come up with plans and ideas that can be put in motion.

During the meeting, Australia is expected to announce a $75 million contribution to a fund to help develop clean technology in China and India. "While Kyoto puddles on nicely, the real reductions will come from technology," Australia's Minister for Industry, Ian Macfarlane, told the Sydney Morning Herald. "This is not a diplomatic love-in. It's a hard-edged business plan with targets and reporting duties." But Mr. Macfarlane indicated that no specific timetable would be used under the new plan.

Ian Campbell, Australia's environmental minister, told reporters in Perth recently that, "We're going to have a 40 percent increase in emissions under the Kyoto Protocol, while the world needs a 50 percent reduction. We've got to find something that works better." In that search for something better, a number of technologies are likely to be pushed at this week's meeting - many of which play to Australia's economic strengths.

Among them is a new generation of safer nuclear reactors that incorporate more safety systems that kick in automatically, relying less on human intervention to avert disasters. Australia, a major supplier of uranium, stands to benefit from rising global interest in nuclear energy, which does not produce the large amounts of greenhouse gases generated by fossil fuels.

Anoner of the new initiatives on the table is a US government "clean coal" project called Future Gen. It aims to develop coal-fired power stations that emit no carbon dioxide. This would include gasifying the coal before burning it, and capturing and storing the CO2 produced. Though the technology could reduce emissions, critics believe that it could not be scaled up fast enough to halt climate change.
And there's the liberal lament: if it can't be done perfectly, right now, first time tried, than it's no good and we shouldn't do it. Same principle is applied to American foreign policy, but strangely, never to liberal proposals for education or health care.
Don Henry adds that without targets and national legislation, the new pact would disadvantage progressive companies as no one else would bear the costs. "Also, voluntary methods rely on public subsidies - taxpayers will pay a bomb rather than the polluters," he adds.
But since we're all polluters and we're all in this together, that's okay. If the 'polluters' pay all the cost, you'll pay eventually in higher prices for energy, goods and services. You pay regardless.
While businesses in the US and Australia have been split in recent years over the Kyoto Protocol, the new pact has brought more businesses along. Gerry Hueston, the president of the oil group BP and a senior member of the Business Council of Australia, has asked fellow council members to adopt plans to cut greenhouse gases. This week will bring to the table many industry representatives from companies such as Exxon Mobil and the mining firm Rio Tinto.

But some experts here say that both Australia and the US are playing the politics of divide and rule in an effort to weaken Kyoto and take along some of the key polluters such as India and China.
Why yes, it would, wouldn't it.
With the first stage of Kyoto coming to an end in 2012, and with only 20 percent of emission reduction covered by 2020, the European Union had been working hard to get agreement from the Group of 77 developing nations for future actions to balance the pressure on the rest of the developed world. "I don't believe that India and China are about to leave Kyoto, but maybe the long-term hope is that they will," says Colin Butler of the Australian National University.
Because if the Chinese economy tanks its leaders will be looking through blindfolds and puffing on cigarettes.
Posted by:Steve White

#4  "I don't believe that India and China are about to leave Kyoto, but maybe the long-term hope is that they will," says Colin Butler of the Australian National University.

"Hope is not a plan."
Posted by: Besoeker   2006-01-10 13:24  

#3  "A Clue Grows In Sydney"
Posted by: mojo   2006-01-10 13:22  

#2  Isn't it funny that the Radical enviros want all the world to save a tree, yet since "global warming" is > THE SUN, and Dubya's critics obscenely argue that we're all doomed, doomed Doomed, D-O-O-M-E-D they tell ya', unless a Democrat gets back in the WH - PRAVDA says the Earth is Dead - how in heck is saving/hugging a tree or trees or gonzos of trees going to result in the construction of NOAH-esque spaceships to take mankind off this planet, as based on materials/resources the whackos say mankind cannot use!? Even presuming that ala Steven Hoagland on COasttoCoastAM that alleged 'global gulagists" intend to PC eliminate approx 5 1/2 Billion persons, or as necessary, from the earth, how is the world's remaining approx 500 Million. +/-, going to get off!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-01-10 01:57  

#1  "We're going to have a 40 percent increase in emissions under the Kyoto Protocol"

That and the trillion dollar price tag is all you need to know about Kyoto.
Posted by: phil_b   2006-01-10 00:29  

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