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| 2006-01-13 | |
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| Posted by:Steve White |
| #6 stupid in america..? what did the british healines say when bush was re-elected? "How could 50 million+ Americans be so STUPID?" LMAO |
| Posted by: Bird Dog 2006-01-13 16:19 |
| #5 " President Bush Attempts To Shore Up Iraq Support" By Jim Malone Washington 13 January 2006 President Bush continued his efforts this week to rebuild public support for his handling of Iraq with speeches this week in Washington and Kentucky. But, those Democrats who oppose him on Iraq are not backing down. Iraq figures to be a major issue in the November congressional elections, and Mr. Bush is trying to improve Republican prospects by convincing the public that the United States must stay in Iraq and finish the job. But the president also had words for Democrats who oppose him on Iraq, warning them not to engage in what he called irresponsible debate in the months ahead. "But one way people can help as we are coming down the pike in the 2006 elections is to remember the effect that rhetoric can have on our troops in harms way and the effect that rhetoric can have in emboldening or weakening an enemy," he said. Democrats remain split on Iraq but many of them disagree with the president's suggestion to tamp down the debate over Iraq. Democratic Congressman Jim Moran of Virginia discussed the issue during a recent town hall meeting with some of his constituents. "There is nothing more patriotic, nothing more American than engaging in a debate, even an intense, heated, contentious debate over the future our nation should take," he said." Something very interesting happened in this site yesterday. An article similar to the one I posted above listed President Bush as making the almost the exact same quote in paragraph#3 of this post. I made the point that I thought that the quote was politically motivated and the basis of it is unproven in regards to Iraq. I asked Bush supporters in this site to "prove" what Bush was saying was true. In other words provide surveys, or statistics that show that there is a connection between anti war rhetoric/criticism and events covered in the MSM and "embolding the enemy" in surges of violent attacks on the U.S. military and Iraqi coalition supporters in Iraq. I also asked for documented"proof" that anti-war critism/rhetoric is indeed as Mr. Bush proclaims is "demoralizing the troops in harms way". To me these are two very simple logical questions challenging President Bush's assertions. What I got in rebuttal in this website was a two long ago instances in Germany and Vietnam that were supposedly similar to what is going on in Iraq and also a discredited letter from Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Ayman Al Zawahri. I dismissed all of this so called "proof" on the grounds that all of it was flawed. I asked specifically about what is going on in Iraq currently NOT what happened in Germany and Vietnam. The Al Zawahri letter was discredited in the very article the rebuttal poster listed. What followed was a flurry of ad hominen attacks on me by the regular posters in this site with my rebuttal post being "redacted" by the "neutral" site moderator. I as well as some of my democratic associates who monitor this site all shook our heads in disbelief and amazement at the responses. Apparently this site has a double standard for posters. If you agree with the proprieter of this site and his viewpoints you are free to "troll", use inflammatory language and profanity and call people names as long as it's against the people he views as the "enemy". If you do it in oppositon you are labeled a "troll" have your post dedacted and are threatened with being banned. Evidently the regular posters and the proprieters of this site are only interested in dialogue with people that agree with them. Civlized discourse is definitely NOT what is happening in here for sure. |
| Posted by: Bird Dog 2006-01-13 16:10 |
| #4 Go whine somewhere else bird dog. There is no freedom of speech in someone else's house. You gave up the right to be treated with respect when you started posting with a bunch of pseudonyms. We listened to what you have to say, and we still disagree with you. I even read your crap when it hits the sinktrap. You lack facts, and your arguments have been found to be unpersuasive. Be civil and/or go away. |
| Posted by: Mark E. 2006-01-13 16:22 |
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| Posted by: Bird Dog 2006-01-13 16:19 |
| #2 Awwwwwww. Is Ray Gunn dead? Pity. We hardly got to know him. Why don't you go over and comment on the "Stupid in America" post. We'd appreciate your expertise. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2006-01-13 16:14 |
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| Posted by: Bird Dog 2006-01-13 16:10 |