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| Muslims: integration or separatism? |
| 2006-02-06 |
| Great article by David Pryce-Jones on the Islamist threat. Nothing here will surprise the regulars, but it is a great overview. Pryce-Jones has been rather sphinx-like on the eventuality of civilizational conflict. In my opinion he is one of the the best conservative commentators on the Arab world. While not staking out a personal position in this article, he nonetheless leans heavily towards the possibility of war. |
| Posted by:11A5S |
| #14 Looks like the asshats would feel right at home there. |
| Posted by: SR-71 2006-02-06 21:16 |
| #13 BTW, I'd earmarked Corsica as the place France would allocate for them. I'm sure corsicans would appreciate that... why don't you go there to suggest using the "isle of beauty" as a muslim reservation? IIRC (not sure of the actual figures), there are about 250 000 inhabitants, most of them "ethnic corsicans" with lotsa family ties to the continent, could check it out I guess, about 20% of which are north-african muslim migrants; still, theses are real, real quiet (though I've read reports of serious incidents), due to the peculiar habits of the corsican male, not devirilized like his euro counterpart... in short, they carry. Still, corsican birthrate is among the lowest in western Europa, similar to Spain I think, so again, future is not bright there too. Fun alert : check this pics gallery to have a better understanding of corsican traditions, lol... |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2006-02-06 16:20 |
| #12 JFM, essentially you are argueing they can be assimilated, whereas I concluded sometime ago that assimilation isn't going to happen for many and perhaps most. BTW, I'd earmarked Corsica as the place France would allocate for them. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2006-02-06 15:49 |
| #11 In contrast, the general run of the Left, in the company of spokesmen for the numerous Muslim organizations, have hurried forward to displace any blame away from the perpetrators of terror, and on to other people. A slew of do-gooders reluctant to jettison multiculturalism likes to assert that Western society has made Islamists and terrorists what they are, by excluding them and in general showing inadequate regard to their rights. Islam, and Islam alone has made Islamists and terrorists what they are. They can unmake them or be vaporized in nuclear fire. This seems to be about the only two alternatives. The whole cartoon dustup has shown how intensely incompatible Islam is with any other culture. There will be no assimilation. Therefore, they can go back to their countries of origin or integrate. No seperate but equal crap. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-02-06 14:22 |
| #10 I would suggest giving free air fair for a Hajj to Mecca combined with a cancellation of all visas/passports/outgoing flights once they are there. Let the Saudi's deal with them. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2006-02-06 10:34 |
| #9 No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition! You know after the Reconquesta, the Kingdom of Spain expelled both the Muzzies and the Jews [who by the way help finance the operation, it was just as much a debt relief action as religious]. The Inquisition spent some of its time catching 'lapsed' moros and judeos that had taken the 'conversion' to Christianity rather than 'move' option. Seemed to have worked for at least 500 years. Appearently better than late 20th century multiculturalism in the case of Islam. |
| Posted by: Snung Throsh9980 2006-02-06 10:10 |
| #8 One word - Mufassala |
| Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar 2006-02-06 10:00 |
| #7 Heck no, don't give muslims enclaves in Europe. They only become bases to import more muslims and launch attacks. In the short term, deportation to their homelands or conversion for the priviledge of staying is the only alternative. But in the case of France or Belgium, I believe that point has already passed and at a minimum their cities will go up in flames. In the long term, how does civilized society protect themselves from a "religion" that controls the manufacture of nuclear weapons, requires death or conversion of all humanity and strive to bring about the return the Madhi. Even total isolation is insufficient when the various centers of islamic power reach the capability of launching thousands of warheads out of the blue. Because of our dawdling and refusal to take care of the problem while it is still manageable, the world is going to eat a huge shit sandwich. |
| Posted by: ed 2006-02-06 09:12 |
| #6 If you back a couple of years in the RB archives, you will find I was saying that the only permanent solution to Europe's non-assimilating Muslim immigrant problem, is to set up segregated areas they are restricted to No this is not permanent becuase then they will a bigger share. Tghe only two permanent solutions are unislamization or expulsion. The unislamaization thing requires between other thing requires that we drop multicultism: stop exagerating the (limited) role of Islamic science (this builds pride in being a Muslim), discourage the initiatives of countries of origin to keep an ideological grip on immigrants (eg lessons of Arabic or "cultural" circles), dicretely subsidy centrifugal movements (eg North Africans who define themselves as Berbers and no stinking Arabs with Islam only an instrument of Arab domination), provide protrection to those who want to leave Islam and don't miss an occasion to fly in the face of Arab/Muslim proppaganda (eg when they ask an apolgy for cartoons reply "when you apologize for the beheaded school girls in Indonesia and for the calls to murder infidels in Arabia's mosques, when they talk about the Crusades talk about the (prior to Crusades) taking of Cesarea where Muslims adorned themselves with the guts of fallen defenders, when they talk about the "pooooor, suffering Palestinians, reply with data about the genocide against blacks in Soudan, contrast the well-fed palestininan child with tjhe starving soudanese ones and then accuse them of racism. We want to split islam through its fracture lines (blacks, arabs, berbers, real arabs against mere arabic speaking people of North Africa) with all the fragments rjecting it as instrument of domination , backwardness and promoter of evil. Then we will only have to deal with a a small hard core isolated in a sea of hostile former Muslims. |
| Posted by: JFM 2006-02-06 08:17 |
| #5 As a Ducth buddy says phil_b: "If islam is what they want let them live in islamland not here in the Netherlands." They can go back if it's out of a sense of piety. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2006-02-06 03:11 |
| #4 For the second and third generation immigrants there is no home country to send them back to. And the home countries of the many of the first generation will refuse to take them back. So physical areas are needed to segregate them in. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2006-02-06 02:57 |
| #3 phil-b. Once they out of Europe, why should Europeans care that happens to them? |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2006-02-06 02:24 |
| #2 If you back a couple of years in the RB archives, you will find I was saying that the only permanent solution to Europe's non-assimilating Muslim immigrant problem, is to set up segregated areas they are restricted to. You can think of them as Gaza Strips MKII, III, IV, etc. It remains to be seen if they will be located in Europe itself or they carve out enclaves in North Africa. Mark my words on this. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2006-02-06 01:21 |
| #1 The answer to that if left up to the Mulsims will be separatism. Their religion cannot withstand unrestricted and open contact with the modern world and western thought. Muhammaed built a cult, and cults can never survive open and free interchange of ideas. |
| Posted by: Oldspook 2006-02-06 00:58 |