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We Say to This West... By Allah, You Will Be Defeated

2006-02-07

Hamas leader mouths off from the security of Syria.

We say to this West, which does not act reasonably, and does not learn its lessons: By Allah, you will be defeated. You will be defeated in Palestine, and your defeat there has already begun. True, it is Israel that is being defeated there, but when Israel is defeated, its path is defeated, those who call to support it are defeated, and the cowards who hide behind it and support it are defeated. Israel will be defeated, and so will whoever supported or supports it.

I say to the [European countries]: Hurry up and apologize to our nation, because if you do not, you will regret it. This is because our nation is progressing and is victorious. Do not leave a black mark in the collective memory of the nation, because our nation will not forgive you.

Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded. Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day. America will be of no avail to them. Their generals will be of no avail to them. The last of their generals has been forgotten. Allah has made him disappear. He's over. Gone is that Sharon behind whose back they would hide and find shelter, and with whom they would feel relatively secure. Today they have frail leaders, who don't even know where our Lord placed them.
Lot's more at the link. I know that this isn't the first time that the level of rhetoric has risen to this level in the Middle East. 1948 and 1967 in particular were both full of this sort of crap. I'm no "Arabologist," but my gut tells me that along with remarks coming from Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah that these clowns seem to think that they'll be operating under a nuclear umbrella soon. At that point thay'll try to "grab them by the belt" (to use Giap's one line description of his post-Ia Drang tactics) and go on the tactical offensive.

Meshaal's mask is off, in the same manner Ahmadinejad's came off, and they're saying about the same things. This is apocalyptic stuff, equal parts venom and bile. I'm including the rest of the article so it doesn't get lost.

"Allah willing, we will make them lose their eyesight, we will make them lose their brains...

"Their weapons will be of no avail to them. Their nuclear weapons will be of no use to them. They thought that they had hegemony over the region with their nuclear weapons, but suddenly Pakistan popped up with Islamic nuclear weapons, and they are afraid of Iran and several Arab countries have some chemical weapons.

"Israel has begun to sense that its superiority has come to an end. Its army, which has superior conventional weapons - the air force, the armored corps, and the missiles - there are no longer wars in which these are used.

"The Arabs have said: We don't want [conventional] wars, thank you very much. Leave the war to the peoples. Today, the Israeli weapons are of no use against the peoples. We have imposed a new equation in the war. In this equation, our tools are stronger. That is why we will defeat them, Allah willing...

"If you fight them, they will turn their backs on you, and will not be victorious." But the problem is that we need to fight them first. If we sleep at home, how are we to beat them?! 'If you fight them...' - that is a divine promise... 'If' - It is conditional: 'If you fight them, they will turn their backs on you and will not be victorious.' And indeed, when we began to fight, and we armed ourselves with a will to fight, we defeated them. ...

"That is why Allah akbar [Allah is greater]. We say that every day - Allah akbar. Yes, Allah is greater than America. Allah is greater than the oppressors. Allah is greater than the superpowers. Allah is greater than the tyranny of the oppressing world, and Allah is greater than Israel. Since Allah is greater, and He supports us, we will be victorious."

Mash'al:"By Allah, I know that all Arab leaders - and I have met many of them - deep inside want the resistance in Palestine to be victorious, and want Palestine to be liberated. Perhaps the need for flattery and for diplomacy, and the American hegemony, force other things on them, but in their hearts they are happy when we are victorious. ...

"If, prior to the Hamas victory, there were several military wings, each with a few hundred or a few thousand fighters, under the rule of Hamas - if you continue to besiege us, to starve our people, to ignore our rights, and if you continue your occupation, your aggression, and your assassinations - we, the Hamas, will declare a general call to arms. We will place the entire Palestinian people at the disposal of the resistance and its weapons."

Crowd: "Allah akbar, Allah be praised. Allah akbar, Allah be praised. Allah akbar, Allah be praised. Allah akbar, Allah be praised. Allah akbar, Allah be praised. Allah akbar, Allah be praised."

Mash'al: "Be careful not to drive our people into a corner - Occupation, aggression, assassinations, 9,000 male and female prisoners, preventing aid, imposing a siege, causing starvation - and on top of all this, you don't want to recognize democracy and its results."

"Hamas has a Vision Hamas Can Manage the Political Battle, Just Like it Managed the Military Battle"

Mash'al: "The German [Chancellor Angela] Merkel pops up and says: Democracy and success in the elections are not sufficient for Hamas to gain legitimacy. To hell with you all. How are we supposed to gain legitimacy? When you said we had the legitimacy of resistance, you called it terrorism. Now, we say we have the legitimacy of democracy, but you deny it. In that case, you yourself are not legitimate, because you emerged through democracy. This is the logic of a frail and defeatist person.

"Brothers and sister, there is confusion in the Western world, and in the American administration. Allah has come to them from where they did not expect him. That is the grace of Allah. That is why we do not fear them. We do not fear their threats.

"Today they give us an ultimatum: Recognize Israel. Wonderful! The murderer is not required by anyone to recognize the rights of his victim, but the victim is required to recognize the rights of his murderer, and to sing his praises...

"Hamas has a vision. Hamas has a plan. Hamas can manage the political battle, just like it managed the military battle, but in a different language, with different tools, and recognizing Israel is not one of them. Nor is giving up the rights, giving up the right to resistance, and nor is giving up the weapons of the resistance.

"Nevertheless, we want to deal with politics, but there is a difference between the politics of the weak and defeatists, which we will constantly repeat - the kind of politics that does not impress the enemy and so it does nothing - because, like in the marketplace, products praised too much become cheap. If we continue to praise our products, constantly saying: 'We love peace,' 'We have given up the option of war,' 'Peace is our strategic option,' 'For God's sake, Israel, give us a few scraps of land' - By Allah, we will be degraded in the eyes of our enemies."

Mash'al: "We will conduct our politics in the language of victory. We will conduct our policy in a confident language. We will conduct our politics in the language of those who are steadfast and sure of themselves. Besides, by Allah, after the people has elected us, and has bestowed upon us all this power, we will disrespect its rights?

"The people has given us a deposit, and has empowered us to liberate its land, to restore Jerusalem and its holy places. It has empowered us to release 9,000 male and female prisoners. It has empowered us to stop the aggression, to liberate the land, and to restore its rights. The people has empowered us to bring back 5.5 million Palestinian refugees and displaced people to their homeland. After all this, Hamas - in order to please America and the European Union, and in order for the pressure on us to stop, and in order for their highnesses to allow us to establish a government... We are not trying to please them."

Mash'al: "I say to America, Europe, and the West: It is in your interests to change your relations and policies regarding the Arab and Islamic nation and the Palestinian cause. Because we are winning, it is in your interests to deal with the victors, not the losers.

"Israel will be defeated and will be of no use to you. The Arabs will be victorious. The Muslims will be victorious. Palestine will be victorious. Change your policy soon, if you want to protect your interests, and maintain healthy relations with the East."

Posted by:11A5S

#26 I'm afraid the Muslims will have to be taught the true submission the Germans and Japanese learned when they saw the death and utter ruin that they brought upon themselves. We are past the point where a compromise or accomodation can be made. (If that time ever existed)

Posted by: whitecollar redneck 2006-02-07 22:18

#25 We dealt with the Nazis. Hamas is pretty much the same thing, only miniscule in comparison.

Posted by: Darrell 2006-02-07 21:18

#24 Nuclear fire? To be honest I don't feel any revulsion about using that option anymore.

Sadly, neither do I, whitecollar redneck. Even a short while ago I was repelled by such a notion. Such compunctions have faded almost entirely from my conscience.

Islam's vision for our world is nothing short of Global Cultural Genocide. This desire upon their part has utterly defeated my revulsion at exterminating such a huge portion of this planet's population.

A simple thought just occurred to me. Should the caliphate be installed, the deaths due to pogroms, devolved technology and medicine, abuse of women plus political or religious persecution could easily equal the 1.2 billion practicing Muslims in number.

I will cheerfully preserve all of those innocent lives at the cost of obliterating the less innocent supporters of jihad and sharia. This is a simple equation. Which would you rather have living when the day is done? Islam~~ists~~ or its victims?

Posted by: Zenster 2006-02-07 20:59

#23 Bzzzztt!!! Sorry, wrong answer, but thanks for playing. Please collect one of these lovely cartoons of Mohammed on the way out.

Posted by: DMFD 2006-02-07 19:26

#22 Nuclear fire? To be honest I don't feel any revulsion about using that option anymore.

Posted by: whitecollar redneck 2006-02-07 19:15

#21 Hey, hey! It's Ham-ass' NUMBER ONE! With a bullet, as they say...

Posted by: mojo 2006-02-07 17:23

#20 Zen, like your last, this geezer needs a sticky end, preferably hellfire hellizap

Posted by: Ding Dangalang 2006-02-07 16:33

#19 Abraham Lincoln's Lyceum speech comes to mind:

This task gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform.

How then shall we perform it?--At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

With each passing day the horrific vision of an Arab world incinerated in nuclear fire becomes more and more acceptable to me. There will be no compromise, nor shall there be any defeat at the hands of these barbarians. They will forsake their ambitions of global domination or perish in the heat of a thousand suns. Upon that, I vow my life.

Posted by: Zenster 2006-02-07 16:25

#18 I have some 7.62 NATO that says we won't.

Posted by: SR-71 2006-02-07 15:40

#17 "Sometimes in my daydreams I think about a squadron of KC-135s making a low slow pass over Mecca spraying the place with liquifidied lard."

LOL! Cheap and effective. Though whenever I see the crowds of seething cartoon protesters, the two words that immediately spring to mind are "Storm" and "Metal".

Posted by: Glains Unorong5120 2006-02-07 15:13

#16 Rereading this in the light of day, I see that this braying ass acknowledges that in any conventional fight they would lose. That is why "The Arabs have said: We don't want [conventional] wars, thank you very much. Leave the war to the peoples. Today, the Israeli weapons are of no use against the peoples. We have imposed a new equation in the war. In this equation, our tools are stronger. That is why we will defeat them, Allah willing...

What they don't realize is that the world is growing tired of their endless seething and the Western gravy train is about to end. No more dollars for the pathetic Palestinians. There will be a wall built and they will be left to starve behind it. If they push too hard, they will be expelled from Jerusalem and left to seethe in the desert. If they push harder, the Israelis will go Old Testament on them and kill all but the virgins (and God knows, in Islam the reason you get your virgins in Paradise is that there aren't any left in this world over the age of 6)

Posted by: RWV 2006-02-07 15:02

#15 We say to this West, which does not act reasonably, and does not learn its lessons: By Allah, you will be defeated.

Invade the place, scatter the people, raze the buildings to the ground, and sow the land with salt. Just to make a point.

Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2006-02-07 14:41

#14 "Allah willing, we will make them lose their eyesight, we will make them lose their brains..."

Not exactly Churchillian rhetoric, is it? Maybe it sounds better in Arabic.

Posted by: Xbalanke 2006-02-07 11:37

#13 By Allah we may be defeated, but not by the ragheads of the eighth century. This statement is telling. He threatens the west. Like he and his father before him have beaten the Koran into their children, he would beat it into the west.
There is never another opinion to be considered. There is never a debate ro a compromise. Debate is delay. Compromise is victory one step at a time. When will the world's bystanders see the truth of Islam ? We of the great grey tribe are ready. A world without the 'religion of piss' is a world of peace and prosperity.

Posted by: wxjames 2006-02-07 10:03

#12 No, if you continue to annoy us we will give you an ass-kicking of truly seismic proportions, and then we will build a monument to our victory in Mecca: a three-hundred metre high statue of the prophet Mohammed getting jiggy with a camel.

Not bad in my vision victory would be a Hooters, Victoria's Secret, Famous Dave's, and a combination church/synagogue across the street from the Mosque in Mecca. Oh and don't forget the adult book store.
Sometimes in my daydreams I think about a squadron of KC-135s making a low slow pass over Mecca spraying the place with liquifidied lard

Posted by: Cheaderhead 2006-02-07 09:44

#11 Bring it on assholes.

Posted by: mmurray821 2006-02-07 09:29

#10 I like it RC.

Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-07 09:00

#9 My suggestion for the victory memorial.

Posted by: Robert Crawford 2006-02-07 08:27

#8 "We say to this West, which does not act reasonably, and does not learn its lessons: By Allah, you will be defeated."

No, if you continue to annoy us we will give you an ass-kicking of truly seismic proportions, and then we will build a monument to our victory in Mecca: a three-hundred metre high statue of the prophet Mohammed getting jiggy with a camel.

Posted by: Glains Unorong5120 2006-02-07 07:22

#7 Big talk coming from a guy that has to hide in his own country for fear of being zapped any minute. Maybe he and binny can do an album of greatest rants and threats?

Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2006-02-07 06:38

#6 Look

Islamists have a broken superiority complex.

They beleive that following 'slam will make heaven on earth (a bit like socialists think they can rob everyone into wealth), however the facts of life are conservative and it just creates shitholes.

They are merely trying to destroy the evidence of their own eyes. The west is a threat to 'slammer faith as it shows that MoHAMed really was a crap talking , mentally-ill paedo and 'slammers have wasted their lives following his teachings.

Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2006-02-07 05:58

#5 Arabs talk. Jews do. That is why Israel is strong and prosperous while the Arab nations surrounding it are midieval slums able only to suppress their own people. That is why Israel has soundly defeated the entire Muslim world in 1948, 1953, 1967. 1973, and has scared them into sputtering for the last 30 years. The time to start worrying is if these histrionic, inbred blatherers ever go silent.

Posted by: RWV 2006-02-07 03:22

#4 We will be defeated, unless we'll stop (mis)treating Muslems as people.

Posted by: gromgoru 2006-02-07 02:40

#3 These turbans are clearly overplaying their hands. Take their threats seriously but do not overestimate their powers. They are losing their grip on their people already and their attempts to mobilize them have a whiff of desperation.

Posted by: Monsieur Moonbat 2006-02-07 02:17

#2 I agree. Full on Allah-daemerung. Spengler is right: they'd rather die than embrace modernity.

I think that Wretchard's "golden moment" is long past. No amount of money or sacrifice is going to convince them to embrace freedom. I don't think that the lastest iteration of positive feedback will bring full scale conflict. But each cycle peaks a little higher and at some point the system is saturated.

Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-07 01:19

#1 Its still a fricking death wish.

Posted by: 3dc 2006-02-07 01:03

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