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| ‘Lack of belief keeping Muslims down’ | ||||
| 2006-02-26 | ||||
 LAHORE: Muslims around the world are in a precarious condition not because of their beliefs but because of lack of them, said former pop star Junaid Jamshed during a lecture on “Youth and their Future” at the College of Home Economics on Saturday.
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| Posted by:Steve White |
| #22 Maybe too much belief keeping muslims down.... the guy looks like one of the Soggy Bottom Boys from O Brother Where Art Thou? |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2006-02-26 21:46 |
| #21 Sea, you're making me blush. Now if I could only find someone to pay me for my pontifications. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-26 19:17 |
| #20 Wow, john, nice work. And thanks for the insightful commentary, Frank G and 11A5S. Rantburg U at its best. |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2006-02-26 18:49 |
| #19 Frank G: That's precisely the kind of thing that we need to do to win the informational aspect of this war. Ralph Peters talks a lot about going after the kleptocrats. We'd probably piss off a lot of bankers, but so what. We gotta convince the masses that it's the holy men, generals and princes that are keeping them poor, not the Joos and their American mercenaries. NS: In principle, I think that such a tax is a good idea. In reality, I fear that our distinguished elected representatives would use the proceeds to fund social programs, pork and other guaranteeed vote getters instead of investing it in new energy sources. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-26 18:46 |
| #18 it'll stay higher than that due to armed conflict in Nigeria, Venezuela (yes, you Hugo), and the temporary loss of Iran's fields |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-02-26 18:17 |
| #17 We could do it in 10 years or less by imposing an oil import fee to keep the price of imported oil at $50 per barrel. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2006-02-26 18:05 |
| #16 all the more reason to start exposing every theiving mullah, Imam, Iranian president, et al and their financial holdings and net worth. This broadcast and net posting would have more incendiary (and I choose that term purposely) results than anything else. The faithful can be the most outraged when they are confronted with evidence they've been hosed for a decade or two of non-islamic decadence |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-02-26 17:46 |
| #15 They know that too, Frank G. That's why they lust so mightily after Europe. They're in the same situation as the Soviets were after Stalin. The leadership knew that they had one to two generations before stagnation and lack of growth killed them. Even the dissidents knew. There was a book entitled Will the Soviet Union Survive until 1984? (Also read Solzhenitsyn's Letter to the Soviet Leaders.) The Soviets had to succeed in some imperialist adventure in order to survive. Europe was the best prospect because of its proximity, industrial base, and relative pacifism. Islam is in the same boat as the Soviets. If the sheikhs and mullahs don't conquer Europe in the time frame you identify, they're hosed as you correctly point out. Which, as much as Europe disgusts me and pisses me off, is why we can't afford to walk away from it. To use American military jargon, it is the strategic decisive point in the war against Islamism. Another NATO isn't going to be the answer, but we need to come up with the ways and means to win there. When I exit my geo-political frame of mind, I feel sorry for the bastards. When we win this thing, the cultural implosion in Dar al Islam is going to make what happened in the former USSR look like a picnic. Some of the sheikhs and mullahs will be hurt, but most will have their Swiss bank accounts. As usual, it will be Mahmoud on the block that will bear the brunt of the pain. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-26 17:31 |
| #14 use their backwardness against them. What do we have, 30-40 yrs of oil dependence, at most? They'll be nothing but a boil to be lanced on the ass of historyt after their oil runs out. Time to play 4 corners, identify the cells, eradicate them, and develop the future fuels over a 20-30 yr span. Think short AND longterm strategy. If they can't find a monopoly on dirt, Islam is cooked |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-02-26 16:50 |
| #13 And as JFM pointed out here a couple of years ago, they are prime targets for terror cell recruiters: "You've been eating the kaffir's pork, drinking his whiskey, and fornicating with his wimmin. The only way that you're getting to Jannah, by Allah, is by reading this here Quran and doing everything I, um, I mean it tells you." This is very similar to the guilt trip the "Karla's" of the 30's and 40's used to recruit well-to-do young university students for the Comintern. Great photo montage, John. I met a psychaitrist once who told me that most of her job consisted of deprogramming people from bad memes their parents/teachers/playmates/etc filled their little minds with when children. To me, Islamic memes seem to be the most enduring and the most difficult to eradicate. I think that it goes without saying that the older the society, the greater the degree of social control it must exert over its members. While not as old as some, Islam coupled with Arab tribal law, and now it seems Leninist terror and cell structure and Facist government, seems to constitute perhaps the most effective form of social control ever devised. The post-enlightenment memes of individualism, equality before the law, rule of law, individual property rights, etc., are penetrating every society on earth. However, they are least successful in penetrating Muslim society and Arab society stands out as especially impenetrable even in that sea of backwardness. Based on this, I feel pretty safe in concluding that Islam is the most effective form of social control ever devised. Even the Confucian (and its even more highly effective Japanese branch) and Hindu social control mechanisms have been completely unable to block the infiltration of Enlightenment memes. Another bit of evidence: fewer books have been translated into Arabic during its entire history than books translated into Spanish in just one year. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-26 16:25 |
| #12 Well, he was Takfiri so the regular islamic strictures didn't apply to him... He could drink, consume pork, cavort with whores etc... |
| Posted by: john 2006-02-26 15:44 |
| #11 with or without the strippers? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-02-26 15:42 |
| #10 This is the time bomb planted in the minds of little muslim children of the middle/upper classes. The lifestyle of their families and local community is at variance with what is taught as islamic. They live life in this impure state, years for some, perhaps even a decade or two for others. They are outwardly modern, well educated, with good jobs... but inside, the bomb ticks.... Then some personal crisis, they trip... and you get the Mohammed Attas.. |
| Posted by: john 2006-02-26 15:20 |
| #9 Whoa! Serious work there John. |
| Posted by: 6 2006-02-26 15:11 |
| #8 he'll let his dental hygiene go to sh&t too, Shades of the Tater |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-02-26 14:25 |
#7 The evolution of the muslim male... Got me a guitar to get the girls...  The moderate muslim who beds any girl he fancies, drinks, enjoys music etc  Life crisis - perhaps alcohol, perhaps some family problem... begins to doubt  Growing the beard... music is bad, alcohol is bad, wimmen must cover their nekkid selves..  Full mullahdom  |
| Posted by: john 2006-02-26 13:40 |
| #6 But seriously, It is all to common for "moderate" muslims to trip like this, especially educated, middle class ones. They are taught at a young age all the restictions of Islam but being inconvenient for living a normal life, in the modern world, they are ignored. But subconciously there is deep guilt at being a bad muslim... Then some personal crisis causes the moderate muslim to trip. He grows the beard, goes to mosque, orders his sister to cover herself, and grows increasinly more rabid. |
| Posted by: john 2006-02-26 13:29 |
| #5 pop star? Wait.. I recognize him! Wasn't he in a boy band? The backpassage boys or something... |
| Posted by: john 2006-02-26 13:22 |
| #4 ..giving up the ‘constant meaningless struggle towards worldly pursuits’ And a roasted turkey will fly into your open mouth! Failing which, just conquer,loot and enslave like his forebears. To bad, wrong century. |
| Posted by: Duh! 2006-02-26 02:40 |
| #3 giving up the ‘constant meaningless struggle towards worldly pursuits’. Unfortunately in the land of Islam, giving up worldly pursuits means strapping on a bomb belt and taking out bystanders on your way to meet virgins. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2006-02-26 01:29 |
| #2 That and lack of education, economic development, free speech, hygene... |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2006-02-26 01:01 |
| #1 “Despite all slander and reprimands, he [Muhammad] never let his fellow Muslims avenge him or raise objection, his only concern was how Muslims behaved.” Just three words completely illustrate what a stinking lie this is -- Asma bint Marwan |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2006-02-26 00:26 |