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Europe
Spain counts cost of growing intake of migrants
2006-03-11
LOW-key ceremonies are being held today across Madrid to mark the second anniversary of the 2004 train bombings in which 191 people were killed. But two years after the worst terrorist attack on European soil, immigration is revolutionising Spanish society far more than the terrorist bombings ever could.
When did the two become disconnected?
In 2000, there were 900,000 foreigners living in Spain. That figure has now risen to 3.7 million (8.5 per cent of the population), an increase of more than 400 per cent. By one estimate, Spain has received more immigrants in the past five years than France received in the previous four decades. Last year, Spain received 560,000 immigrants, one-third of Europe's total.
Spain's getting all those immigrants from North Africa — they're swarming in. Seems to me, it'd make more sense for them to take in an equivalent number of Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatamalans, and such. At least they speak the language, after a fashion, and share some of the culture. And I can't recall the last time I saw a Mexican blow up.
This massive demographic shift is starting to take its toll. A survey published in January found that 60 per cent of Spaniards believe that there are too many immigrants in Spain. In 1996, the figure was just 8 per cent.
In 1996 turbans were a lot more rare.
The poll also found that almost twice as many Spaniards see immigration as a more important problem facing Spain than terrorism and there is a widespread perception that the riots that rocked France late last year may offer a vision of the country's future.
Even worse, la Belle France's government actually seems to have more testicular capacity than Spain's, which is saying something.
Low-scale riots in June in an outer Madrid suburb, prompted by the murder of a local youth by a South American gang, were described by one leading centrist newspaper at the time as the "neighbourhood rebellion against the immigrants". High-profile turf wars between the so-called bandas latinas (Latin gangs) on the streets of Madrid have also helped to make immigration the dominant topic of conversation in bars and restaurants across the city. "In Spain, you never had to worry about armed people coming into your homes," Fernando, a Madrid office worker, told The Age. "Now things are different and it's because of the immigrants."
They're your borders. Close 'em.
There is also something of a sense of siege in Spain fostered by the daily arrival of boatloads of African immigrants along the country's southern coast and by the storming of the country's borders in Spain's African enclaves by hundreds of African immigrants in October. According to Fernando Vallespin, director of the Centre for Sociological Research, which carried out the survey, the situation is less alarming than the figures suggest.
"Remain calm! All is well!"
"We are far from being xenophobic in Spain," he argues, pointing to the clear majority of respondents who said that immigrants should have access to public education and free health care and who identified levels of education as far more significant than whether immigrants were wealthy, Christian or white. But even he acknowledges that the rising concerns about immigration are driven by the fact that "in the last three or four years we've seen an increased presence of foreigners in our lives".
I'd say the most important consideration would be whether the immigrants are civilized or not, and what they've been getting patently aren't. A nation reaches a saturation point where it can't admit any more immigrants because it hasn't digested the last batch, especially when they refuse to digest.
Complicating the issue is the awareness that the future prosperity of Spaniards depends upon large-scale immigration.
So bring in Mexicans. They're hard-working and they're mostly nice people. They just got fonny assents.
Spain requires 350,000 immigrants — who, according to a Spanish Government study, generate twice the levels of tax revenues they consume — every year over the next two decades in order to save its generous tax-financed pension system from bankruptcy.
Might want to have another look at that generous tax-financed ponzi scheme pension system, too.
Posted by:tipper

#13  lotp,

I'm for all that is sweetness and lite. »:-)
Posted by: RD   2006-03-11 18:42  

#12  At least we won't have to deal with an effective Hispanosphere eager to avenge '98.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-03-11 16:56  

#11  Spain had quietly developed strong relations with many Latin American countries under Aznar. Now under Zappy the rhetoric is stronger but the actual aid and relations are not.

Go figure.
Posted by: lotp   2006-03-11 16:10  

#10  And they'd do the same for Spain without as much language/cultural adjustment. This is so clearly a win-win that it is astounding the Spanish are not doing something about it.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-03-11 15:59  

#9  yeah right we need 20 million more illegals.

That was all about Spain bringing them in, not us.

I agree re: illegals. But I welcome the majority of legal immingrants from Mexico and the rest of Latin America. The ones I know work hard, are great family people and more than earn their keep. And their kids will contribute a lot to our economy too.

Se basta.
Posted by: lotp   2006-03-11 15:19  

#8  You dont know to what point: Izqueirda Unida (ie Communist Party) has asked for the reopening of Cordoba's Cathedral (former Mosque) to the Muslim cult.

The Party who alied with the Nazis keeps the line.
Posted by: JFM   2006-03-11 14:59  

#7  I think the average impoverished Mexican has more sense than to migrate to a land which has no future....
Posted by: Slaviger Angomong7708   2006-03-11 14:32  

#6  It used to be when a country wanted a bunch of unskilled workers, it went to the country where those workers lived and conquered it.
Posted by: Perfessor   2006-03-11 09:41  

#5  The de-reconquista continues. The Spanish are not replacing themselves. They can have muzzies or Mexicans. They chose Muzzies. Who thought the Spanish could ever make Franco look good.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-03-11 08:35  

#4  Spain requires 350,000 immigrants — who, according to a Spanish Government study, generate twice the levels of tax revenues they consume — every year over the next two decades in order to save its generous tax-financed pension system from bankruptcy.

Yeah right. Let's assume that immigrants will ever accept being taken half of their salary for sustaining people who are not their own. Specially if the immigrants belong to a predatory culture who tells them they are hereensvolk, and that the alien elders have had so few children that the immigrants outnumber the people able to bear arms
Posted by: JFM   2006-03-11 04:14  

#3  So bring in Mexicans. They're hard-working and they're mostly nice people. They just got fonny assents.

yeah right we need 20 million more illegals.
Posted by: RD   2006-03-11 01:50  

#2  Disclaimer: that last statement of mine was in reference to a certain picture which I'm sure we've all seen here. Please don't label me a racist or something.
Posted by: Rafael   2006-03-11 01:24  

#1  "in the last three or four years we've seen an increased presence of foreigners in our lives".

Oops. Get ready for more of them:

An announcement is expected on opening the Spanish labour market to workers from Poland and other European Union newcomer states.
A recent EU report says that the free movement of workers was economically rational, adding that the three countries which had opened their labour markets - Britain, Ireland and Sweden - had benefitted. About 35 thousand Poles currently live in Spain.
Link.

But that was just an aside, here's comes the big one, from May 2005:

Spain stands by immigrant amnesty: Spain is processing work papers for about 700,000 illegal immigrants already living in the country after holding a three-month amnesty.

Oh dear. Don't know whether to laugh, cry or both.

One thing that isn't mentioned, though, is that many Spaniards with certain in-demand skills leave Spain for better, higher-paying pastures elsewhere in Europe. This is just the nature of things. Poles arrive in Spain looking for work, probably doing stuff that Spaniards won't do (like picking strawberries), and the Spaniards move on to bigger and better things. So I guess what I'm saying is that Poles fill the role of Mexicans. Except that Poles don't hold their crotches for the camera.
Posted by: Rafael   2006-03-11 01:14  

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