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Europe
Cultural workshop to bridge West-Muslim divide
2006-04-29
La Belle France is launching a "cultural workshop" starting in September in a bid to promote understanding between the West and the Islamic world, the diplomat in charge of the project said Thursday. The workshop, which is the brainchild of French President Jacques Chirac, will hold its first session in Paris on September 13-15, ambassador-at-large Jacques Huntzinger told AFP.
Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Jacques is truly one of the great minds of the 16th Century.
Huntzinger, in Doha to attend an inter-faith dialogue, said the workshop aims at "countering the risk of the development of misunderstandings, prejudices and fear among peoples and civil societies" on the two banks of the Mediterranean.
What about understanding the genuine dangers posed by eye-rolling, spittle-spewing holy men who want to kill you and yours? What about the genuine dangers posed by the advocates of Armed Struggle™ and the Dynamite Your Neighbor set? They're starting on the assumption that it's all just a misunderstanding and that there's no danger to the West, despite continuous assurances to the contrary from any number of respected holy men.
According to a presentation of the project, a copy of which was obtained by AFP, the second session will be held in the Spanish city of Seville February 7-9, 2007 and the third in the Egyptian port of Alexandria in June next year.
Gay Paree's a great place to start the festivities. No doubt they'll have a ceremonial carbecue, followed by festive strikes and riots, culminating in the hilarity of the Running of the Algerians in the 17th Arondissement. Seville, of course, used to be a Muslim city until the Moors were given the boot, so that's fraught with enough symbolism to make you gag. Alexandria used to be a Christian city with the world's greatest library until it was taken over by Lions of the Desert, who burned down the library because they already had a book.
Participants in the "dialogue of peoples and cultures" will come from non-governmental organizations although organizers will seek the support of the governments concerned. "The platform must be given to historians, educators, researchers and new thinkers on both banks. With the help of the media, satellite channels and the Internet, they will know how to fight stereotypes," the document says.
Boy, I'd love to get a job as a thinker. I suppose it pays well — European thinkers never seem to work at anything else — so I wouldn't have to worry about groceries or the cost of gas going to work. All I'd have to do is cogitate. I could buy a black turtleneck and a pack of Gaulloises and think thoughts both great and small, considering the whichness of why, and whether pigs have wings, and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. With the help of media, satellite channels and the internet, I'll betcha I could figure out how to fight stereotypes in no time flat, which would leave time for thinking about really important things, like beer and women.
The series of workshops will be open to Arab countries of the Maghreb, Levant and Gulf, in addition to Israel, Turkey and member states of the European Union.
Oh, it all sounds so ecumenical!
Themes to be debated will range from the role of media to the relationship between society and religion in secular systems and those based on sharia, or Islamic law.
Practicing for my eventual high paying job as a Thinker™, I'd say that the relation between society and religion in secular systems is... ummm... different from those based on sharia, or Islamic law. Yep. That's what I'd say.

In secular societies there's no relationship between society and religion. None.There's a relationship between the members of society and religion. They're allowed to belong to any religion they want, or to none at all. This necessitates a certain tension between religions as they compete for adherents to fill collection plates, spread gospels, and that sort of thing. This tension expresses itself in the types of hats worn by clergy belonging to Catholic style Christianity, which range from the simple beret worn by Father Camillo, through the broad-brimmed hat worn by Father Guido Sarducci, to the miter that's shared among bishops, cardinals, and the pope himself. Orthodox priests compete among themselves to come up with the most outlandish hats, and they add beards, side-curls (stolen from the Jews), and fonny assents to bring in the paying devout.

Among Protestant clerics, this same tension evidences itself somewhat in dress, with Episcopalians affecting the Papish Roman collar and cloning the bishops' hats, but more distinctly in the tone and accent of preachers. These range from the drone of the Luthern cleric in Minnesota through variations on the accents of Alabama and Mississippi among Pentecostalists, Baptists, and different flavors of Methodists. This accent is a requirement, taught in all the best theological schools, and must be mastered, even if the preacher is from New Jersey. Returning to my previous study of linguistics, I've given this some deep thought — I'm becoming a professional Thinker, after all — and I'm building a matrix that will show just which denomination equates to just which village in the swath of Katrina-devastated countryside stretching from Biloxi to Birmingham. I'm expecting a Pulitzer next year if I can just find a few CIA sources to quote.

And of course in those societies which are based on shariah, or Islamic law, the relationship between society and religion is quite different still. If you're not a Muslim they'll kill you.
The need for an inter-cultural dialogue was highlighted by the crisis sparked by the publication of cartoons of Islam's Prophet Mohammed in European papers, which infuriated Muslims across the world, according to the document. The cartoons row showed the degree to which "the Arab-Islamic world resents the West, notably Europe," a feeling which can resurface any time, the document warns.
Here's where I come to doubt my powers as a professional Thinker. Cogitate as I might, I can't come up with a reason for Europe to be concerned that the Arab-Islamic world resents the West if the Arab-Islamic world doesn't appear in the least concerned that the West might resent them. Now, if I was a Muslim of any sort, I'd look around me and see my governing classes made up in large part of swaggering bullies and aging princes who look like Grampaw Munster. Then I'd look over my shoulder at the West, where people are if not rolling in money, then making a decent living, inventing things, drinking beer, pinching girlies, and — not to be insensitive about it — walking all over the Muslim world when it comes to any kind of competition that doesn't involve eye-rolling, moustache cursing, or pouring acid on women. I would have the good sense not to want the West to resent me for being a backward yokel, given to bonking my head five times a day in the general direction of Mecca while keeping my wife in a sack and occasionally taking a hatchet to one of my daughters for making goo goo eyes at the boy in the next holler. But then, I'm not an Arab or a Muslim, so I'm probably missing something. Maybe some beer would help me cogitate a little more deeply.
Preparations for the dialogue are taking place in close cooperation with Spain and with the backing of Egypt, it said.
No doubt they used to hold similar get-togethers with Germans and Italians in the '30s to defuse the rising tensions. That worked well, too. Sometimes genuine understanding among people makes you want to order more ammunition.
Posted by:Seafarious

#19  Oh, good! This will solve everything!
Don't forget to bring the Vaseline, Jake.
Posted by: tu3031   2006-04-29 16:28  

#18  From this contractor's post in iraq

Q: How is it that intelligence gathering by Western powers, whether it is about the weapons capabilities of an entire nation, or the simple location of a lone thug, is so constantly stymied and duped in the Middle East?

A: The job of intelligence gatherers is to determine the truth. I wouldn't take that job in the Middle East for all the money in Michael Moore's Halliburton stocks.
Posted by: 3dc   2006-04-29 15:41  

#17  Participants in the "dialogue of peoples and cultures" will come from non-governmental organizations although organizers will seek the support of the governments concerned. "The platform must be given to historians, educators, researchers and new thinkers on both banks. With the help of the media, satellite channels and the Internet, they will know how to fight stereotypes," the document says.

The usual tranzi trustafarians, in other words. Plus a few deacons in the Church of Gaia, wsho will be making their reports to the bishops in their hempen robes.
Posted by: Seafarious   2006-04-29 15:20  

#16  When things got too hot for Maimonedes in Spain where did he go?

Nobody has the corner on humanity or inhumanity, though the Muzzies are trying to corner the market in the later now that most of the commies are gone or in remission.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-04-29 15:05  

#15  Prior to the Enlightenment, Christianity was no more tolerant than Islam.

Yeah,the pogroms in Muslim Spain were afruit of imagination, also take a check about what Shariah says about how Chruistains and Jews had to be treated. Like denying them right of self defence or the heirloom going in its entirety to the one brother who had converted to Islam. Christains never had so discrimantory laws against Muslims than what Muslims enforced on Christians where they were dominant.
Posted by: JFM   2006-04-29 14:59  

#14  I can't find my reference right now, but it was claimed that the holdings of the library had changed over time (like modern libraries). The theory was that a lot of the old pagan authors, being less popular, hadn't been recopied and therefore not replaced when the volumes wore out. This theory was supposedly supported by references to their equivalent of a card catalog.

More on topic: Who will be attending these "workshops" from the Middle East? Let me guess: A couple of pet Islamic scholars who can be trusted to say nice things in front of the French cameras. A herd of the usual suspects. The eye-rollers won't get grants to come.
Posted by: James   2006-04-29 14:57  

#13  Interesting indeed. Hypatia -- the greatest female scholar of antiquity -- was skinned alive by a mob of rabid Christian monks. But the point is that Christianity changed.

History doesn't say if the Church punished the monks or perhaps even deferred them to the "secular arm" (Church didn't execute people) while we know well enough that there was NO fatwa against those who destroyed the Buddhas in Afghanistan, or cultural treasures elsewhere.
Posted by: JFM   2006-04-29 14:52  

#12  "HAVE YOU HUGGED YOU BOMBER TODAY?"
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden   2006-04-29 13:15  

#11  Twisty, curvy Hypatia indeed.
Rare is it that a safe is dropped from such heigth.
Posted by: 6   2006-04-29 11:15  

#10  Interesting indeed. Hypatia -- the greatest female scholar of antiquity -- was skinned alive by a mob of rabid Christian monks. But the point is that Christianity changed. Can Islam? I used to think so, but now I doubt it.
Posted by: pagan infidel   2006-04-29 10:54  

#9  
The final individual to get blamed for the destruction is the Moslem Caliph Omar. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." So, allegedly, all the texts were destroyed by using them as tinder for the bathhouses of the city. Even then it was said to have taken six months to burn all the documents. But these details, from the Caliph's quote to the incredulous six months it supposedly took to burn all the books, weren't written down until 300 years after the fact. These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.
The library was apparently burned at least twice, maybe three times. Caesar was blamed for burning the library the first time. The story of Bishop Cyril and Hypatia the last librarian and the Alexandrine riots is an interesting story, and the Temple of Serapis branch at least was burned then. And the Caliph Omar story sounds so Islamic, despite the lack of contemporary documentation.
Posted by: Fred   2006-04-29 10:32  

#8  #7, Bull.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-04-29 10:29  

#7  Amusing comments, but one major error: it was the Christians, inspired by Bishop Cyril, who burned the great pagan library of Alexandria The Muslims came several hundred years later. Prior to the Enlightenment, Christianity was no more tolerant than Islam.
Posted by: pagan infidel   2006-04-29 09:58  

#6  Oh, dear. The in-line analysis nearly had me on the floor. You picked up that book on regional dialects again, didn't you? ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-04-29 09:17  

#5  Fred! Fred! Fred! Huzzah!
Posted by: 6   2006-04-29 09:11  

#4  The inline deserves a Rodin statue, not Pooh characters.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-04-29 08:15  

#3  Or, Muslems understand you perfectly---you're prey.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-04-29 07:19  

#2  Enjoy your beer, Seafarious. I look forward to more deep thinking of this calibre...
Posted by: Ptah   2006-04-29 06:24  

#1  Workshop 1: How to Car-B-Que
Posted by: Captain America   2006-04-29 00:20  

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