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Defeating Islam

2006-05-24

This is excerpted. This is a true evisceration of Allen and Mo. D.E.V.A.S.T.A.T.I.N.G.
By Ali Sina 2006/05/23

In one of my articles I wrote:

I promise that if we continue this campaign of discrediting Islam and Muslim scholars, in no more than a quarter of century, Islam will be defeated. Islam will fall, like communism fell. Mark my words today, even if you think I am nuts. If we all work together, especially the ex-Muslims, we can get rid of Islam sooner than anyone can imagine. Iran is already anti Islamic. More than half of Iranians do not call themselves Muslims anymore.

We are demolishing Islam from its foundation. The edifice seems to be intact. But don't let appearances deceive you. This high tower of lies will come down at once.

I actually agree with this. When Islam is defeated, it will be like the collapse of Naziism. It will all go at once, like a bubble bursting. People will take their turbans off and stare at each other and ask "What were we thinking?" There will be a few pockets left here and there, like there are of fascists, but the whole thing will be dead and its remains viewed with revulsion. I don't know what will follow it probably something equally vile, in another place and in another guise, something for those who have to believe in something. But that'll be a problem for our grandchildren to worry about, unless the Marshmallow People surrender before we've won, of course.

Let me clarify one misunderstanding in the outset. I have not claimed that I will eradicate Islam. I am not a megalomaniac fruitcake with thoughts of grandiosity... I said WE can eradicate Islam if we work at it together and in this I am confident. Where this confidence comes from? I am confident because I know Islam. Islam is nothing but puff and pomposity. It is 1400 years old and it has 1.2 billion followers. Nonetheless it is based on lies. Its like a tall high-rise built on moving sand. As long as those sands remain in place the edifice will stand on its feet. But as soon as you disturb the sand or remove it from its beneath, the edifice will come down crumbling.

Islam is a lie. Its god is a lie and its prophet was a liar. He was not just a liar but also an extremely evil man. Many consider Christ to be a myth and Christianity a fairytale. Although I am certain that someone called Jesus must have existed and a lot of what is attributed to him are true, I have no doubt that much of Christianity is fairytale. The stories of virgin birth, walking on water, converting water to wine or resurrection and ascension are for the feeble in mind. The early believers must have added these stories to, as we say today, sex up their religion and make it look attractive. Simpleminded people like to believe in fairytales. This was more so in the past when the average man was illiterate and unsophisticated. But putting aside all the fairytales, the essence of Christianity is not bad. It teaches love and forgiveness. Today, many psychologists, self-help gurus and motivational speakers, will tell you the same thing. You must learn to give up your selfishness, see beauty in everything, and love. Love your neighbor, love your fellow being, love yourself, love the world, and learn to forgive not only forgive others, but also forgive your self. ....

Christian love is something that can be taken to an extreme, just like anything else. Being too damn syrupy goes against the human grain and eventually reaction sets in. But Christianity is founded on the principle of forgiveness of sin, the triumph of substance over the form of empty ritual, Christ winning his battle with the Pharisees. Islam represents the triumph of form over substance, Pharisees triumphant. It's founded on principles of robbery, rapine, and murder, and it exerts its control through blood, not through true belief.

What will remain of Islam once you separate facts from fiction? Once you discard the ridiculous claim of splitting the moon and climbing to the seventh heaven to bargain with Allah about the number of prayer that Muslims should say during the day and other stupidities like these, youll find Islam is nothing but hate, violence, and terror. The psychopath narcissist does not understand love. He understands fear. Islam is based on fear.

Since Islamists will try to kill you if you try to quit, beat you up if you don't adhere strictly to the forms.

Then when you compare the life of Muhammad with that of Jesus, youll see that there is no comparison. One was the paragon of goodness while the other was the embodiment of evil. This is not comparing apples to oranges; we are talking of two opposite poles.

Sounds like a description if the Antichrist, if you're into Revelations. I believe he's supposed to be adored just as slavishly by his followers...

With all this consideration, it is clear why it is a mistake to compare Islam to Christianity. Just because Christianity has withstood criticism, it does not mean Islam will also survive criticism. ....

I believe the holy men are well aware of this, since they react so hypersensitively to any hint of criticism. If they didn't kill the people who left, people would simply leave.

There is nothing good in Islam. Islam is sheer evil that is sustained by fear. Not only the teachings of Islam are evil, Muhammad was a monster. You cannot say this about the founders of any other major religion. Muhammad was more evil than most cult leaders. He can be compared to Shoko Asahara and Charles Manson. So as you see, there is a fundamental difference between Islam and other religions....

But Islam is a different story. Islam is not a religion but a political movement in the guise of religion. Islam promises afterlife to rouse the foolhardy followers to wage war, kill and get killed cheerfully and advance the megalomaniac ambitions of grandeur of a psychopath. It is easy to defeat Islam. All we have to do is tell the truth. All we have to do is expose its foundation, remove those sands of lies from beneath it and it will fall on its own. Christianity and other religions are rooted in something good. The foundations of these religions are solid. But Islam does not have any foundation. It is based on sheer lies and unadulterated evil.

Muslims know that Islam will fall if exposed. On a subconscious level Muslims know that Islam is a lie and that it cannot be defended logically. That is why when you criticize Islam they panic. You can criticize all other religions, but all you can do is destroy their superstitions and fallacies. The foundation of these religions remains intact. As a matter of fact these religions have benefited immensely from criticism and thanks to that they were forced to give up most of their absurd tenets. They have adapted to the changing world. The evil practices of Sati in Hinduism, stoning in Judaism and inquisition in Christianity are things of the past.

But you cant criticize Islam. If you tamper with the sands beneath it, the whole edifice will fall. Muslims know that. They know that Islam cant take criticism and that it is very fragile. That is why they are so protective of it. That is why they become hysteric when a few cartoons are drawn depicting Muhammad. That is why they killed Theo Van Gogh and threaten to kill anyone who attempts to remove those sands of lies on which Islam stands.....

Muhammad was a psychopath. Psychopaths want to control others. The first thing they do is they destroy the selfhood of their victims. Thanks to Islam, Muslims have no pride, no self esteem, no dignity, no honor. Such a people are often very dangerous. Lack of self esteem is the cause of all evils. ...

That's probably why they yap on the subject so much.

This is what makes Muslims so evil. Its their lack of self-esteem. They are ruthless and exploitative on the outside, but that is to cover their inner insecurity and fears. They are unhappy, fearful, walking scar tissues.

Muslims are bullies. Some researches have erroneously concluded that bullies suffer from unearned high self-esteem. But there is no such thing as high self-esteem. We have pomposity, hauteur, pretentiousness and vain glory. These are the flipside of low self-esteem. People who lack self-esteem wear these masks to hide their belittled and humiliated selves. Muhammad led his followers to deny their self worth. They are made to believe that without Islam they are nothing. They are even made to despise their own ancestral cultures and civilization. The narcissist has to destroy the selfhood of his victims in order to make them completely dependant.

I was thinking about this earlier, not that I had the time to write on the subject. Christianity is culture-neautral. You can build a church in any number of places and the parishoners don't have to give up their culture, their history, what makes them what they are. A Korean Christian remains a Korean. Islam is a cultural weapon. It wipes out existing cultures and replaces them with something else, occasionally beautiful, but not what was there before. Egyptians speak Arabic and they think of themselves as part of the Arab nation, rather than as the descendents of the people who built the pyramids and were the most powerful people in the eastern Mediterranean. Persian culture was strong enough, barely, to survive the Arab onslaught, but Persian culture's heavily influenced by the Arabians. The best they can manage is a different style of turban. The Paks deny all their history prior to the Muslim conquest no Guptas, no Mauryas, no Vedic epics, no Rama, no horse sacrifice. They fawn on all things Arabian, while denying their connection to their own past. In North Africa, Cathago is not only delenda, but mostly forgotten, except for a few tourist sites. The Berbers have no memory of Jugurtha. All has been replaced by minarets and the call to prayer.

Muslims are not fools.

Even though they're fond of saying foolish things...

They just try to fool themselves. They can see Islam is false. They realize it is against human intelligence and that it makes no sense, but they are so much trapped in it that they cant leave it. They force themselves to believe, because without it they are lost.

That's the insidious effect of forced daily ritual, bonking the nut five times a day and reciting the same affirmation of faith, over and over, until it's worn the desired groove into the brain. It's short, it's easy to remember, and repetition from babyhood means they're never really going to get rid of it. The best they can hope for is to understand it. Add in the other strictures ablutions, how to pee, and that sort of nonsense and things get even worse. The Salafists load even more requirements on, so that eventually a person has no time for anything but ahering to the requirements of religion. There's no time to think of anything else, to include making a living.

One Muslim wrote to me Apparently some of the verses may seem or sound bad or barbaric. But it is Satan who is making us see them this way. This explains the Islamic pathology. Muslims see that Islam is foolish, but they cant let go. They cant let go because they have nothing else to cling on. Muhammad robbed their identity and destroyed their selfhood. They must cling to Islam, even though they can clearly see that it is false because Islam is the only thing they have. It is the only straw in an ocean of uncertainties.

They need constant reassurance and repeat to themselves that "Islam is a beautiful religion" and that "Muhammad was the perfect human". They even seek these reassurances from others. They collect the the complimentary comments of non-Muslims (particularly Whites, because they think White people are superior) and even lobby politicians and political institutions to issue official statements recognizing Islam as a "great religion". Talk about insecurity.

We see these periodically in the Pak press. It's mental masturbation, without the need for a mental tissue, since nothing ever comes of it.

And then there is the fear the fear of Hell and the punishment in the grave that has been inculcated in their minds since childhood. This fear has paralyzed their thinking ability. They dismiss any doubt as soon as it comes to their minds.

This is where Christianity can compete, though hellfire and brimstone has become kind of passe. Spread Dante's vision enough and they might start coming around. Where's Cotton Mather, now that we need him?

Miss Ruby is an educated Muslim. She is a solicitor. She considers herself a moderate Muslim because she lives in America, enjoys all the liberties and has no reason to become a terrorist. Miss Ruby joined the FFI forum in January. She wrote over 700 messages. After this much debating on May 12th she wrote:

Hello friends and enemies,
This is my last post, I have had fun here at FFI and have started to doubt my own religion.....THIS IS NOT GOOD.
I hereby testify that:
1) I believe that there is one Allah
2) I believe in the prophets
3) I believe in the four books sent from Allah..
4) I believe in the Angels
5) I believe in the day of judgement (Qayamat)
6) I believe in the resurrection after Qayamat
There is a purpose for my existence on this Earth and that is to serve only Allah....and his FINAL PROPHET is Muhammed (pbuh).
It was a mistake for me to join this forum and I will try to forget that I even doubted the words of my Allah.
Stay happy and dont hate.

What we can make of this? We can make two things. One is that Muslims can clearly see that Islam is false. Next is that they are trapped in it. There is a mental block that they cant get rid of. That mental block is psychological. Miss Ruby cant cut her umbilical cord from Islam. She thinks without it, she will go to hell. She has not learned to be independent.

However, Miss Ruby and the Muslim whom I quoted before her and millions of other Muslims who are in their position are only fooling themselves. I know that, because I was there. They are smart enough to know it too. When I read the Quran and saw this is a book of nonsense, at first I started denying my own intelligence. ...

I left a message for Miss Ruby and wrote:

You don't believe in any of this nonsense. You can never be the same. Once your brain expands, it will never shrink again. Believe me I tried it for two years because I was afraid to be free but at the end I failed (which means I won). These doubts that you start having will not diminish. They actually will keep multiplying. You'll start doubting even things you had taken for granted all your life. This is how people get enlightened. They suddenly find it is hard to believe in superstitions."

I knew there is no going back for Miss Ruby. I thought she will be back in a few months telling us she can no more withstand the lies of Islam and is leaving it. I was very wrong. Despite saying goodbye, Miss Ruby came back after a couple of days and kept talking with the friends. On May 19th, just one week after saying goodbye and reconfirming her shihadah, she wrote the following:

I have read your testimony and identify with lots of experiences emotionally. I am also reading the book 'Prophet of Doom', I am angry!........all these years, I have been lied to and deceived. Hey Mo is actually not the Rasool Allah at all!.....and he is a false self-proclaimed prophet of doom. I have to admit something to everyone right now, maybe the Muslims will also identify with this feeling inside. But I have never ever felt any love radiating from the Quran or any other Islamic scripture!.......actually when I read the Quran, I always feel tired and bored and start to yawn immediately!.

When I think of Jesus (although Im not Christian), I always had a good feeling inside when I think of him. Maybe because he is worthy of respect more than Mo. But these are my feelings and emotions so far, I will write more tomorrow.

goodnight.

And this is what she wrote on May 22, 2006

Hello people this is my contribution for this thread, I have said this on another thread but would like to repeat myself on here for the Muslims who view it.
1) I acknowledge that Mohammad did rape and had sex with an underage girl who didnt know what 'sex' was and shouldn't have had to deal with this invasion on her body at that tender age.(Ayesha)
2) I acknowledge that Mohammad looted and kept what was not his, so he was a thief.
3) I acknowledge that he had no sympathy or an ounce of compassion for anyone who disobeyed him and thus by definition CANNOT be merciful.
4) I acknowledge that he was a delusional illiterate power hungry man, who couldn't have had 'revelations' from Allah.
5) I acknowledge that Islam is a farce, it cannot be a peaceful religion because Muslims are by definition not peaceful right now. They can kill and maim and reach heaven and count their houris as a reward for destruction.
Let this be known all you Muslims, I am not one of you anymore. Mohammad was nothing short of a Bastard who liked SEX,SEX AND MORE SEX. He was a false prophet, and has lied to us all and has claimed falsehoods.
This religion cannot last too long. It will wipe out the rest of the human race if we dont do something to stop it. Change yourselves, think for a moment, think for a year, then find your answers, deep inside. A person who orders to kill another is not human.
That is all I have to say on this matter.

As they say, read it all.

Posted by:Brett

#17 I cannot agree that "there is nothing good in Islam." I wholeheartedly agree that Muhammadanism is a lie, but a lie with enough truth mixed in to make it strong. "Know your enemy" is a good rule.

So what's true about it? Stuff Muhammad borrowed: One God, maker of the world, expects right actions from the people he created and will judge them accordingly. He wants to be merciful. Etc. Most of the right actions are perfectly benign, and there are people who try to live their lives accordingly, and succeed as well as anybody else. However, Muhammad fits John's definition of antichrist quite nicely even without the nasty stuff.

The bulk of the problems for the rest of the world come from the stuff he added in to consolidate his own power, justify extra wives for himself, protect his favorite wife, encourage energetic razzias, etc. And, of course, from all the sayings made up later to support one caliph's policy or another; and the notion that arabian customs at the time were a good default.

Of course my ideal would be for them all to convert to Christianity. But if we're trying for the more limited objective of suppressing the more violent and revolting aspects of Muhammadanism, then we'll get farther by trying to encourage them to judge the bad by the good. You can address this sort of thing step by step: Use the tradition of respect for different schools to undercut the Wahhabi claims to define the religion; use things like the case where a pregnant rape victim was to be punished while the rapist went free to address the way sharia uses precedent, and so on. Think "achievable incremental changes."

Of course when I say "use" I mean that they have to do it themselves: our contribution could only be covert at best. And I'm not convinced that the "moderates" will try very hard, though if the radicals keep getting themselves killed and the funding pipeline dries up the "moderates" might find a little courage to try.

I don't think Muhammadanism is going to collapse. And I think the violent aspects are too deeply built into its sacred documents to completely get rid of them. Short of my ideal, all I can hope for is that the survivors of this struggle in Muhammadanism will focus on its peaceful aspects.

Posted by: James 2006-05-24 14:18

#16 well said, anon1.

Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-05-24 13:55

#15 Plus I agree with you again, Fred: no God worthy of worship would eat Adoration 5 times a day.

What a vain creation it would be, with such low self-esteem to want to hear that head banging all day long.

I'm sure God would far prefer we do good deeds and show our appreciation of the gift of life by as far as possible making a heaven in Earth's despite.

Posted by: anon1 2006-05-24 12:37

#14 I agree with you, Fred. I do think it is a more natural progression from religion to agnosticism: the belief that there may be a God but it is unexplainable by organised religion.

I myself vacillate between Christianity and agnosticism.

But yes, I do not resile from lumping Christian miracles with any miracle from any other faith. They are all faith-based and unable to be proven or disproven by scientific methods which deal in the 'real' world.

That does not have to be taken as a criticism.

It just means you cannot prove or disprove it. So an appeal to rationality or logic is going to have no effect on the followers of Islam because they do not need to have a rational or logical basis for their belief.

That is the nature of religion, it is based on the human capacity for magical thinking whether or not there is a God, we all have the capacity to believe in the supernatural.

It is part of the human condition.

So you cannot defeat Islam by arguing with it's followers rationally, trying to disprove that Mohammed was a prophet or that their God Allan is good and worthy of worship, or that their religion will cause them to fail and fail again in life. They won't care they *know* they are going to heaven and because there is no way you can prove or disprove scientifically that they are right or wrong you will get precisely nowhere.

That's why I say that moderate muslims are our best bet.

And to argue comparative religion (Christianity is better than Islam because we have the 10 commandments) is usually fairly unproductive I believe, because with religion it is all in the interpretation.

It is only because we are enlightened, 21st century people that we listen to the 10 commandments, and not for example the directives in the old testament to sacrifice a dove and burn our clothes and burn the house if it gets mould in it.

That's in the bible!

Or that we are not all communists (it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven).

With religion it is all in the eye of the interpreter.

A humanist, secular interpretation of Islam could be just as much a force for good in the world as the humanist, secular interpretation of Christianity has been. And it has, I'm not knocking Christians I believe they do a world of good, and the only reason we have tolerant secular democracies was because they built the foundations.

Posted by: anon1 2006-05-24 12:34

#13 In short Lucky, Prophet of Ancient Rantburg, was correct. It's Fake!

Posted by: 6 2006-05-24 12:19

#12 My $.02 - I concur a lot w/Fred though I tend to call my progression from organized religion and being a Catholic to being more with what one I guess would call a Deist, more in the spirit of Washington, Jefferson, et al. I believe in God - just not half the shit that's been written about the guy by some asshole w/an ajenda to control other dumb assholes. I don't believe in any revealed regional religions, or in walking on water, virgin births, water to wine, the substitutional theory for atonement, or any other miracles ascribed to "sex up" the religion - I think the author summed it up perfectly. As far as I'm concerned just the contemplation of the universe and earth itself is enough for me to believe in a higher power. Take away the "miracle" stuff and get to the meat of Jesus' spirtiual ethical construct which was basically love God, love truth, love your neighbor, love the sinner but hate the sin. ("Sin" essentially meaning to act without love.) That's where I'm at. If folks want to believe in things I find highly unlikely then that's cool w/me. Whatever floats your boat. However, with Islam they don't know when to back off and have no concept of religious tolerance - therefore they will most definitely have to be dealt w/in the manner outlined by the author or by overwhelming crushing force - and sooner rather then later.

Posted by: Broadhead6 2006-05-24 11:50

#11
In contrast, the 'five pillars' deal almost entirely with the idea that God must be 'appeased' by outward religiosity.

Not merely that: three of the five pillars either aim to boot Muhammad's ego or to make him (and his successors) richer. Contrast this with Judaism (afaik neither Moses or any other Prophet or Patriarch is mentionned in Judaic prayers) or Chritianism (while the belief in Jesus divinity is the core of Christainity, his name is not present in the "Our Father" or Pater Noster ie the main Christain prayer and the only prayer created by Jesus himself.

Not a peep on our obligations to our fellow man, unless you count the 'charity' clause for muslims only.

And even that charity doesn't ring as something coming from heart and from compassion for the fellow man. 3% of revenue. Fixed. And then you are free of obligation.

Contrast that with Jesus scolding the Phariseans because they had given their excess money and they had tried to get publicity and status of their charity. Jesus praised the poor woman who had donated a small sum but it was money she really neded. Remember also Christs's requirement for secrecy when practicing charity: Christianism doesn't place a cap (or a floor) on how much you should doante, it must come from heart (that is why he scolds Phariseans) and you must not try to get a benefit (through publicity) from it. It must pure unadulterated charity born from compassion.

Posted by: JFM 2006-05-24 11:04

#10 I don't think people leave religion for atheism. It's a belief that there is no god. Rather, I think agnosticism is a more natural progression -- not knowing, and usually not caring if there's a God. Sometimes they'll call the agnosticism something else, like Unitarianism or Episcopalianism or Reformed Judaism if they're gregarious folk who like getting together for a few hours on a weekend.

I enjoy reading the Old Testament, but I read it as history, and I read it in the context of the time and place, keeping in mind that the ancients didn't write history the way we do. Herodotus is also the "father of lies." The same sorts of miraculous happenings show up in the tales of other peoples, and occasionally the same ones. The Babylonians and the Persians had lots of convergences, the Egyptians somewhat fewer.

There was a "King David" who ruled at Ebla, in Syria, 1500 years before King David ruled in Jerusalem -- and they were two different real people. Noah didn't meet Gilgamesh in the Old Testament, but he seems to be the same as Utu-Napishtim, who did. I'm guessing both were mythical, but if I'm ever in Abu Dhabi I'm going to check the phonebook to make sure (unlike Noah, Utu-Napishtim achieved immortality).

The Koran doesn't have the same historical value as the Old Testament (or for that matter the New Testament, which is kind of a 100 year snapshot into that end of the Roman Empire.) But its weakness is what the author lays out as the weaknesses of Islam. It's a tool for building empire, not for guiding humanity to the Pearly Gates, assuming God does take an interest in the affairs of men.

I don't think that God eats adoration. I can't conceive of a mentality capable of creating the universe that requires periodic head bonkings from men, whether Mo had to split the moon and fly off to argue with him about it or not.

Posted by: Fred 2006-05-24 10:53

#9 The Money Quote:

The psychopath narcissist does not understand love. He understands fear. Islam is based on fear.

That about sums it up. The islamic leaders are psychpaths. They are unable to feel empathy, they are not wired for it. You cannot reason with them. You have to use power, fear, and ridicule. Cartoons are a good a weapon as anything, maybe a wee warning box in the corner to satisfy the lawyers?

And remember, "Moderate Muslims" are not Good Muslims, in the eyes of the clerics.

Posted by: Alaska Paul 2006-05-24 10:25

#8 anon1, your hostility to religion aside, (dismising those who believe in the virgin birth as loons, for example) I think you missed my point. Islam, if widely practiced, does not make the world a better place. However, a man who believes in God but also believes in helping his fellow man does make the world a better place. Consequently, an adherent to the Ten Commandments also makes the world a better place.

At no time was the argument advanced that Christianity or Judaism was "empirical truth", although, now that you mention it, I do believe the Bible.

Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-05-24 09:50

#7 This is ridiculous.

I hate Islamofascists as much as anyone

but you can't compare a religion to a purely secular political movement and say because it is 'a lie' it will come crashing down.

Since when has ANY religion had to be empirically proveable truth?

That is the whole essence of religion: all religions. They are based on beliefs that cannot be proven or disproven.

They are all 'true' to their believers who suspend disbelief no matter how ridiculous the premise nor how many laws of physics it breaks. Whether it is a rainbow serpent or a Goddess whose evil son tears her to bits and whose good son sews her back together then has babies with her, whether it's dancing Shiva or a virgin who 'miraculously' gives birth, to the poor misguied scientologists.

And no religion ANYWHERE at any time has had a mass revelation where all of them at once 'woke up' and decided atheism was for them.

No.

Religions gradually lose touch with their flocks or people convert from one to another but the need to believe in magic is hardwired into the human brain and the cultural reinforcement prevents 'waking up' no matter how damaging the religion.

no, I'm afraid Moderate Muslims are our allies and secularising Islam is our only hope for victory.

Keep the good bits of the religion - and there are some, marginalise those that cling to the bad bits and sooner or later you'll civilise them.

unfortunately to get rid of the fascist elements you may need to nuke Mecca, Medina and Riyadh. But the rest of the billion Muslims will be all right once you root out the rads.

Posted by: anon1 2006-05-24 09:16

#6 JFM, excellent comparison between the 'five pillars' and the Ten Commandments. A careful analysis of the Ten Commandments reveals just how comprehensive they are. The first five deal with man's obligations to God, and the last 5 deal with man's obligation to man. If I meet my obligations to both God and man, what else is there? In contrast, the 'five pillars' deal almost entirely with the idea that God must be 'appeased' by outward religiosity. Not a peep on our obligations to our fellow man, unless you count the 'charity' clause for muslims only.

Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-05-24 09:11

#5 The woman quoted in the text says "I acknowledge that he was a delusional illiterate power hungry man"

Muhammad was not illiterate. He or his followers created this myth in order to accentuate the "miracle" of him being dictated the Koran by an Angel and aparently writing it despite being illiterate. But in the first part of his life he ran the business of his first wife. This woman was not a mere shopkeeper but appanetly engaged in overseas commerce. It would have been impossible for an illiterate man to manage a business of this size and complexity.

Posted by: JFM 2006-05-24 08:27

#4 Let's compare the Ten Comandments with the Five Pillars of Islam.

Here are the five pillars

1) The Sayada: affirming there is only one God and Muhammad is DA Man

2) Praying or more exactly telling five times a day that Muhammad is the greatest and more genial
men who ever exixted

3) Fasting for Ramadan. Ramadan was a sacred month for Arabs well before Islam, one where they
didn't make war. So Arabs travelled unarmed during this month and it was by attacking an unarmed group of merchants during Ramadan trhat Muslims got their firsyt victory and their first booty (20% of it went into Muhammad's pocket BTW)
Anyway there is nothing specially positive in fasting

4) the Hadj. Have all people of Arabia (and later from many other places some of them much poorer) leave their hard earned money into the hands of Meccans (Muhamlmad was a Meccan)

5) Charity. This is the only thing who could be thought as positive. But this charity is only towards Muslims and it is limited to 3% of revenue (before or after taxes and professional expenses?) provided you can afford it. Nothing in common with what Christ says about charity. It is more like a tax on the rich.

And voilà, that is all in the five pillars there is nothing like the "Thou shall not killé, "Thou shall not steal" or other commandments who aim to make men better or at least get them better together. I have met Muslims (who BTW were not wahabists) who are good people but it is certainly not the five pillars who made them good.

Posted by: JFM 2006-05-24 08:18

#3 It is what it is.

GE 43:32 And they set on for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians, which did eat with him, by themselves: because the Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that is an abomination unto the Egyptians.
GE 46:34 That ye shall say, Thy servants' trade hath been about cattle from our youth even until now, both we, and also our fathers: that ye may dwell in the land of Goshen; for every shepherd is an abomination unto the Egyptians.
EX 8:26 And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to the LORD our God: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians before their eyes, and will they not stone us?

Just like it was in the end, was it like in the big inning.

Posted by: newc 2006-05-24 08:11

#2 Excellent comments by the site boss and owner, as always. the point about islam essentially being an arab cultural war machine is spot on.

Posted by: anonymous5089 2006-05-24 07:58

#1 Prophet of Doom is a fabulous study. I may have preferred a tad less of gratuitious Christian theology, but I did not write the stuff, Craig Winn did, hence he deserves some slack in that regard. Zizzer & Zazz--two thumbs up.

Posted by: zazz 2006-05-24 04:25

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