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Vatican Worried About Being Hauled into Int'l Court
2006-06-29
The Vatican is worried its opposition to abortion, embryonic stem cell research and gay marriage could one day land it before an international court of justice, a senior Vatican official said in an interview published Wednesday.
The Church has been persecuted before, from pre-Constatine Rome to the days of the Nazis. It's unfortunate but it may happen again in Europe.
Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, who heads the Pontifical Council for the Family, reiterated traditional Roman Catholic Church positions and criticized some European countries, including Belgium, the Netherlands and France, for giving legal recognition to civil unions. "We worry especially that, with current laws, speaking in defense of life and the rights of families is becoming in some societies sort of a crime against the state," Lopez Trujillo told the Catholic news magazine Famiglia Cristiana for its issue scheduled to hit the stands Thursday.

"The church is at risk of being brought before some international court if the debate becomes any tenser, if the more radical requests get heard," the cardinal said, speaking ahead of the Roman Catholic Church's World Meeting of Families in Valencia, Spain from July 1-9.
Which is what the radically secular, progressive left would like to do. The Church is one of the more important, if not the most important, resistor to progressive secularism in Europe, and one of the few, organized, intelligent groups in Europe that understands what it means for mortal men to establish themselves as the final authority on what's right and wrong.
Lopez Trujillo did not comment further about any legal problems the Vatican could face, but his words touched upon a concern among religious organizations everywhere: the right of religious freedom versus countries' anti-discrimination laws.

Chai Feldblum of Georgetown University's Law Center said the chances of the church being punished for stating its beliefs were slim to none, at least in the United States, though its stances could lead to Catholic organizations losing state funding. "I cannot fathom a religious organization being punished for speaking its belief against abortion or gay marriage," said Feldblum, a veteran gay rights advocate.
That's what you say now. I can see the radical left in this country demanding fines and 'compensation' in order to ruin the Church financially. In Europe it could easily get nastier.
"What is illuminating is not the reality of the legal penalties they face, but an acknowledgment that public morality is shifting under their feet," Feldblum said.

In the interview, Lopez Trujillo reiterated that according to church rules, women who have abortions, the doctors and nurses who help them and the father, if he is going along with it, are excommunicated. The same goes for embryonic stem cell research. "It's the same thing. Destroying the embryo is equivalent to abortion," Lopez Trujillo said.

He also criticized what he described as a movement to impose new human rights. "It's happening for abortion, which is a crime, and instead it's becoming a right," the cardinal said. He also compared gay marriage to "absolute emptiness," saying the only possible couple is made up of a man and a woman.
I personally don't care what two consenting adults do in their bedroom so long as they don't leave the windows open and broadcast the view on cable TV. It seems like society is being particularly stooopid, however, in throwing out a perfectly good definition of marriage that's worked in most human societies over the last 10,000 plus years. It seems even more stooopid when judges are allowed to impose their definition of marriage in the face of public opposition. Seems to me that a legislature is where this should be debated, and for some considerable period of time.
Earlier this month, the Pontifical Council for the Family issued a 57- page document in which it said that the traditional family has never been so threatened as in today's world. It also lashed out against contraception, abortion, in vitro fertilization and same-sex marriage. The Vatican's document did not break any new ground, but marked the first sweeping comment on the issues during Pope Benedict XVI's papacy.
Which is no surprise: the College of Cardinals could have elected any one of their members pope, and he'd have the same policies and nearly the same exactly words as Pope Benedict.
Posted by:Steve White

#13  I'd love to see the ICJ or the EU try to arrest the Pope. They'll quickly find out those Swiss guards aren't just for show (no matter how sissy their uniforms look).

I've got the popcorn concession! ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-06-29 15:22  

#12  Emtryonic stem cell research has produced ZERO cures and has had negative repurcussions in nearly every research study.

Stem cells from marrow, and from umbilical cords seem to hold much more promise.

And the Church has no opposition to that at all.
Posted by: Oldspook   2006-06-29 14:43  

#11  Oh yeah, those same articles said that they'd also noticed a "link" between injecting lab rats with embryonic stem cells and increases in cancer in said rats.
Posted by: BA   2006-06-29 13:23  

#10  Thanks for pointing that out, BA. I missed it entirely.
Posted by: Groger9698   2006-06-29 13:16  

#9  If you want to see world wide riots arrest the Pope. EU doesn't have the balls.
Posted by: djohn66   2006-06-29 12:09  

#8  Tell you what. WeÂ’ll give you New Orleans if you move the entire shebang there in the Vatican to the Mississippi. You get the land, the stamps, and the autonomy that you have now in Rome. You promise to keep the tourist trade up though. Oh, and the football team needs to move. Maybe to Las Vegas. Maybe not, they have too much fun there already.

Anyway, like Oriana Fallaci you can have shelter here. Just make sure your peds are kept there as well. No shipping them out to other parishes.
Posted by: Sniper Chease8428   2006-06-29 11:45  

#7  CG9698: The article's clear that the Catholic Church is against EMBRYONIC stem cell research, not stem cell research as a whole. A very wise view, in this here Protestant's mind, I might add. Having become very interested in SCR, and researched it, it appears that (gasp) following God's laws/morals is also best for mankind. By that, I mean, that there's been NUMEROUS articles written about the drawbacks of EMBRYONIC SCR (basically, from what I've read, scientists have had ZERO success in treating diseases with ESCR) vs. other SCR (like from donated adult stem cells, stem cells in umbilical cord blood, etc.). VERY interesting articles and I remember one basically saying they'd found a LOT of progress in treatment/cures (including some progress in Parkinson's Disease) from these other sources of stem cells vs. basically ZERO progress from Embryonic stem cells. Remember, the far left wants to protect the "right" to UNLIMITED abortion at all costs (it's their religion), even going so far as blocking things like the common sense (small) restrictions like parental notification and the ban on Partial-birth abortions (which, honestly is infanticide literally, IMHO).
Posted by: BA   2006-06-29 11:01  

#6  CF was referring to the hypocrisy of the ICJ not to post #1.

I disagree sharply w/the vatican's views on a lot of things but again, I definitely want them to have the right to say and express what they believe. They should be left alone to condemn whatever they want as being immoral. When there comes a time that any institution is advocating violence as an answer to what they consider immoral then maybe the state needs to step in. (hello islam) That's why I despise this 'hate speech' nonsense, it wastes time on attitudes and not on actual harmful actions.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-06-29 09:47  

#5  This is the sort of thing that strengthens my catholicism.
"What is illuminating is not the reality of the legal penalties they face, but an acknowledgment that public morality is shifting under their feet," Feldblum said.
Nice try, jackass. Morality isn't changing, tolerance for immoral behavior is apparently on the rise - there is a difference.
Posted by: JerseyMike   2006-06-29 07:13  

#4  shark jump...
Posted by: flyover   2006-06-29 01:02  

#3  What?
Posted by: Cloluter Groger9698   2006-06-29 00:53  

#2  But forced marrages, beheadings, and honor killings are ok right?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-06-29 00:34  

#1  Stem cell research is a tough one because it holds so much promise. Atleast theoretically.
Posted by: Cloluter Groger9698   2006-06-29 00:23  

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