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Britain
Homegrown Terrorists Puzzle Britain
2006-08-12
LONDON (AP) - One was an athletic teenager who had grown into a devout young man, another a soccer-loving convert to Islam. The youngest was 17, the oldest 35. Many were born in Britain and all were reared here.

As police held 23 young British Muslims accused of plotting devastating airline bombings, both the authorities and their neighbors sought Friday to understand how ordinary communities spawned a terrifying plot. 19 names were made public Friday by the Treasury after the government froze their bank accounts. They have names of Muslim origin, including many that are common in Pakistan. At least 14 live in London, four in leafy High Wycombe, 30 miles away, and two in the central city of Birmingham.
Not a single Clive, Trevor or Nigel amongst them eh?
It is unclear how the men met or who the ringleader is, although suspicion has fallen on the only one identified who is over 30 - Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 35, of east London.

The father of three of the arrested men, Faisal Hussain, collapsed into tears, telling Britain's ITV News that his sons - Nabeel, Umair and Mehran - weren't involved any plot. ``They went to prayer and they were Muslims, that is the only thing they were guilty of,'' he said through an interpreter in an interview broadcast Friday.
They must have been listening to the spittle-spewing preacher at the mosque, Pops.
At least nine of the suspects lived in Walthamstow, a typically polyglot London neighborhood of modest brick houses and small apartment blocks, halal butchers, pubs and fast-food restaurants. It is an ethnically mixed community with a smattering of affluent professionals and a large Muslim population served by several mosques. ``Walthamstow's a happy, chilled-out community,'' said resident Hajra Mir. ``We weren't expecting this.''
Except in the mosques.
That sense of shock was repeated across the neighborhood. Residents said it is a friendly, quiet area where people respect their neighbors. Several of the suspects had lived there for many years and attended local schools.

But several men from the neighborhood have been linked to the Saviour Sect - an offshoot of a disbanded radical Islamist group, al-Muhajiroun, which was based in nearby Tottenham and gained notoriety for praising the Sept. 11 hijackers.
A-ha. Think we might strike gold if we dig there?
A Walthamstow leader of the sect, Abdul Muhid, has been charged with soliciting murder during an angry protest earlier this year over the Prophet Muhammad cartoons published in a Danish newspaper. He had previously been arrested for calling for the killing of British troops while proselytizing at a Walthamstow market.
There's your designated spittle-spewer. Now we need to identify the money man, the bag man, the chemist, the chemist's assistant, the messenger, and the operations ringleader.
Last fall, a rally planned by the group at a community center was banned by local officials after organizers distributed leaflets portraying an Islamic fighter holding a rocket launcher outside the prime minister's Downing Street residence.

Local Muslim leaders say the area's major mosques are vigilant about keeping radicals away. But several of the suspects appeared to fit the pattern of radicalization seen in the bombers who attacked the London transit system: young men born and bred in Britain, raised in moderate homes, but drawn to a more uncompromising version of Islam than that practiced by their parents.
Right about the time they have trouble finding a job, dating a non-Muslim girl, get introduced to life at the mosque, and meet the spittle-spewer. More biographical information on the attackers at the link.
Posted by:Steve White

#10  The Brits think that their public and media being anti-Israeli in attitude should protect them from Moslem violence. What they don't realize is that every time they reaffirm Moslem 'grievances' and declare Moslems are justified in using violence against Jews and Americans that Moslems feel reaffirmed in their desire to do violence to Brits as well.
Posted by: Odysseus   2006-08-12 23:52  

#9  Or another way to say it, take out the middle man!
Posted by: bombay   2006-08-12 22:38  

#8  Yeah, older ones, stuck on all they have left, the ideology.

But the ones that move to action and take things down are the 30 somethings (with their young followers behind). The angst and rage egged on by the elders who long for the glory.
Posted by: bombay   2006-08-12 22:36  

#7  Interesting theory, bombay, but the clowns who are preaching hate and indoctrinating/convincing the splodeydopes are over 30.

Jihad by idiot proxy.

One thing I have noticed about these "cultures" - they claim the West is oversexed, but in fact they are the ones who are hung up on sex (or more probably their lack thereof).

Their absolute lack of respect for women retards their societies. It doesn't have to be that way; there are modern Muslims who respect women and life as much as we do, and don't want to live in these clowns' 7th Century wet dream. Problem is, I don't think they're the majority.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-08-12 22:07  

#6  It is the 30 something problem. You had all of these dreams, all of the glory. Then you find that you have to work a real job, contribute to society, pay mortgage, etc.

The difference in reaction to realizing your childhood dreams may not be attainable is amazing.

Here, people get a new car, dump their wife / girlfriend ... move across country, whatever.

In Islam, 30 something problem means blow stuff up and kill all the infidels. Seriously, we should look into this further, as it seems you always find in Islam these 30 somethings going off the deep end and externalize their angst at this against the nearest infidel they can find - taking the young and impressionable with them.
Posted by: bombay   2006-08-12 21:26  

#5  Another good sequence to read the koran: Chronological Sequence of Quran Revelation
Posted by: ed   2006-08-12 13:14  

#4  Perhaps befuddled Britons will read the koran and be enlightened. The koran can best be understood when read in chronological order. A suggested reading of suras:
First Meccan Period: 96, 74, 111, 106, 108, 104, 107, 102, 105, 92, 90, 94, 93, 97, 86, 91, 80, 68, 87, 95, 103, 85, 73, 101, 99, 82, 81, 53, 84, 100, 79, 77, 78, 88, 89, 75, 83, 69, 51, 52, 56, 70, 55, 112, 109, 113, 114, 1.
Second Meccan Period: 54, 37, 71, 76, 44, 50, 20, 26, 15, 19, 38, 36, 43, 72, 67, 23, 21, 25, 17, 27, 18.
Third Meccan Period: 32, 41, 45, 16, 30, 11, 14, 12, 40, 28, 39, 29, 31, 42, 10, 34, 35, 7, 46, 6, 13.
Medinan Period: 2, 98, 64, 62, 8, 47, 3, 61, 57, 4, 65, 59, 33, 63, 24, 58, 22, 48, 66, 60, 110, 49, 9, 5.
Posted by: ed   2006-08-12 12:56  

#3  It puzzles Brits and Americans because we think and act in a logical fashion. What they have to do is get off their asses and realize they are dealing with brainwashed, demented fanatics from the Death Cult, who will stop at absolutely nothing to kill them, their children, and grandchildren without blinking an eye. If this ever soaks in to their old , rigid brains, they'll know what to do. Problem is, they (and we) are wasting crucial time.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat   2006-08-12 12:32  

#2  Don't be surprised. Muz recruiters are targeting disaffected - usually drug addicted - youth. And it is happening everywhere.
Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550   2006-08-12 01:28  

#1  Puzzle because of being clueless. Clueless because of being willingly suckered by fashionable PC "multiculturalism" which defy reality and give asymmetrical concessions indiscriminately away. They can only remain puzzled to further(and excuse)their preferred denials.
Posted by: Duh!   2006-08-12 00:42  

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