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Home Front: Politix
Why They Hate Us
2006-08-15
By Julia E. Sweig
JULIA E. SWEIG is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Her most recent book is "Friendly Fire: Losing Friends and Making Enemies in the Anti-American Century."

AMERICA'S MORAL standing in the world has precipitously declined since 2001. For starters, blame the Bush administration's go-it-alone tough talk after 9/11, contempt for the Kyoto accord, war and then chaos in Iraq, secret prisons in Europe and alleged use of torture at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Democrats would have you believe that a new team — theirs — in Washington would change all this. Not so fast.
I'm not in the least concerned with our "moral standing," at least as perceived by the International Community™. As far as I can tell, Kofi Annan and the UN have lotsa "moral standing" in their eyes, even while being blatantly corrupt, inefficient, and a detriment to actual peace. The UN's corpse count over the years dwarfs anything the U.S. has done since 9-11 — just Rwanda drawfs it. Our go-it-alone tough talk was in response to a Pearl Harbor class attack on our nation, not some passing fit of pique, some girlish snit, and we face an enemy that matches Imperial Japan for fanaticism and brutality. Most of our citizens have a healthy contempt for the Kyoto Accord, and it's losing ground among those nations that previously bought into it. War and chaos in Iraq comes from fighting against a tenacious and vicious enemy, the joining of Baathism — literally a form of fascism — and al-Qaeda. The enemy's strategy is that if they can't rule the country with an iron fist they'll make it unlivable. The secret prisons hold secret prisoners, the heads of al-Qaeda, the masterminds, the people who blow up large numbers of innocents. I'm less concerned about their rights than I am about the safety of the the unoffending going about their lawful business. If you've got a real interest in torture, take a close look at the tactics of the enemy and contrast them with a few fake menses at Guantanamo. I think even the most hardened Islamist would rather have real blooch dribbled on him than have his head and/or genitalia cut off.
Around the world, anti-Americanism is not simply the result of anger about President Bush's foreign policies. Rather, it is deeply entrenched antipathy accumulated over decades. It may take generations to undo.

Consider the causes:
• Cold War legacy: U.S. intervention in Vietnam, and covert attempts to overthrow governments in Iran, Guatemala and Cuba, among others, created profound distrust of U.S. motives throughout the developing world. Europeans also disdain these policies and bemoan the cultural coarseness of Americanization sweeping their continent.
Anti-Americanism was something that was fostered as state policy by the Soviet Union over many years. The Soviets are comfortably ensconced in the trash heap of history, despite all attempts to revive them, but that particular legacy lives on. While we were running our side of the Cold War, they were running theirs, and I fear they ran their propaganda machine better than we ran ours. Their educational system wasn't available to us to subvert, even if we could have brought ourselves to do it, which we probably couldn't. And that "cultural coarseness" that Julia's talking about is called "vitality." When Europeans come up with something vital it sweeps this country. That's how we ended up with Abba. Turtlenecks and Gauloises don't cut it when it comes to vitality, though I'm not quite sure why the Chicken Dance never caught on here.
Americans, by contrast, tend to dismiss this side of the Cold War. Gore Vidal famously referred to this country as the United States of Amnesia. We're all about moving forward, getting over it, a nation of immigrants for whom leaving the past behind was a geographic, psychological and often political act. As the last guy standing when the Cold War ended, in 1989, we expected the world to embrace free markets and liberal democracy.
That would have been a rational move on the part of the rest of the world. We don't live in a rational world, though. We live in a world where people, even in this country, want a Fearless Leader™ with all the answers laid out.
• Power and powerlessness: Power generates resentment. But the United States has lost the ability to see its power from the perspective of those with less of it. In Latin America, for example, U.S. policies — whether on trade, aid, democracy, drugs or immigration — presumed that Latin Americans would automatically see U.S. interests as their own. And when denied deference, we sometimes lash out, as did Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld when he lumped Germany, a close U.S. ally, with Cuba and Libya because Berlin opposed the Iraq war.
Not precisely. Our bitch wasn't so much the opposition to the war, but the anti-American cheapshots Schroeder's administration took. We weren't happy with Cretien's Canada, either. And we lumped Germany with France, not with Cuba and Libya.
• Globalization: In the 1990s, our government, private sector and opinion makers sold globalization as virtually synonymous with Americanization. President Clinton promised that open markets, open societies and smaller government would be the bridge to the 21st century. So where globalization hasn't delivered, the U.S. is blamed.
I'm not too sure where globalization hasn't delivered. The people most opposed to globalization are those who run regimes where globalization is implemented haltingly, if at all. The countries that are prospering are precisely the ones who have. Pre-globalization India was the place we used to send food for the Starving Chldren™. Now they're sending groceries to the Starvin Children™ in Somalia or someplace.
• What we stand for: Bush is wrong to say that foreigners hate us because of our values and freedoms.
That they hate us for our freedoms is a demonstrably true statement when discussing the shariah and scimitar set. It's demonstrably true when discussing backwaters like Cuba and Sudan and Syria, where iron-fisted dictatorship is the ideal. What're we discussing, Julia? Brazil? Bolivia? Kabila's Congo?
Quite the contrary. U.S. credibility abroad used to be reinforced by the perception that our laws and government programs gave most Americans a fair chance to participate in a middle-class meritocracy. But the appeal of the U.S. model overseas is eroding as the gap between rich and poor widens, public education deteriorates, healthcare costs soar and pensions disappear.
Are you tracing out why? Some things are bad ideas, but once implemented you can't undo them. Health insurance falls into that category. It wasn't until HMOs were introduced, partially in response to increased tort lawyering, that the price of a visit to the doctor started going up each and every year. Public education began deteriorating about the time we established a Department of Education. Pension benefits began disappearing when they became too generous for companies to maintain, especially while unions were dipping into them. But our laws and government programs do give Americans a fair chance to participate in a middle-class meritocracy. The country's not run by old money. The economy's powered more by first and second generation Americans.
Most recently, the U.S. government's seeming indifference to its most vulnerable citizens in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina further undercut belief in the American social contract. The immigration debates also have fostered the perception that the U.S. is vulnerable, hostile and fearful.
Katrina was a unique meeting of an historic storm with a federal government that was prepared for a storm of less than hisotric dimension, a state government that was marked by ineptitude and indecisiveness, and a city government that gave rise to the phrase Stuck on Stupid. Add in hysterical reporting by a hostile press and a natural disaster that was dwarfed by Indonesia's tsunami and Pakistan's earthquake becomes an iconic event. Perception is everything, apparently. We don't seem to spend a lot of time dwelling on the devastation wrought by the same storm on Mississippi and Alabama, do we?
Nevertheless, the ideal of the United States as a beacon of justice, democracy, freedom and human rights still garners grudging respect abroad. Despite the perverse appeal of anti-Americanism, its proliferation hurts not only the U.S. but global security. For all the resentments that U.S. leadership generates, in the absence of an appealing alternative, it remains a much-desired resource. That's why the U.S. could still get its global groove back.
If we spent less time worrying about our "global groove" and more time about doing what's right we'd be a lot better off. But I suppose we're still stuck on perception, rather than reality.
But there is no quick fix. Liberals tempted to out-Bush Bush in the battle against terrorism risk sowing the seeds of a future backlash in the developing world. The U.S. will be no less powerful in the eyes of powerless nations if Democrats win control of Congress in November. Harsh global competition isn't going away either. As a result, the wellsprings of anti-Americanism will not dry up anytime soon.
Oh. We're not supposed to compete globally at all? That makes sense. Not a lot of sense, but sense.
But anti-Americanism will begin to ebb if the new watchwords of U.S. policy and conduct are pragmatism, generosity, modesty, discretion, cooperation, empathy, fairness, manners and lawfulness.
Oh, I see. We should become more like the Euros. Lemme see, here. How to be pragmatic? Well, we could increase our support for Pakistan, despite its obvious failings and its role as a hub of terrorism. And we could not invade Arabia, since that's where the money for terrorism is coming from. Instead we could work behind the scenes, occasionally reading them the riot act in private, while in public rubbing their shoulders and jollificating with them. And generosity? We could dump a few billion into Africa to help them try and control their AIDS problem. And for the rest of it, we could profess — modestly and discretely, of course — how very cooperative we are, we could empathize with the ratholes of the world, feeling their pain with exquisite good manners while adhering to the letter of the law, the while making deals in private and extending our commericial interests at the expense of the local populace, kind of like La Belle France does. I guess that's not a bad idea, though I'd have to bathe a little more often than I do.
This softer lexicon should not be construed as a refutation of the use of force against hostile states or terrorist groups.
No, no! Certainly not! But we'd have to do it with modesty, discretion, cooperation, empathy, fairness, manners and lawfulness. Gotcha.
Rather, a foreign policy that deploys U.S. power with some consideration for how the U.S. is perceived will gradually make legitimate U.S. military action more acceptable abroad.
Actually, I'd rather deploy U.S. power and have it perceived as an invicible machine of destruction that will pull the house down around the ears of the world's most repressive regimes. Howzat sound?
Personalities do matter. And not just the president's. The global initiatives of private American citizens — Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Gordon Moore, Angelina Jolie, Oprah Winfrey and Steven Spielberg — carry the kind of message that government-sponsored public diplomacy can't match.
Angelina Jolie? Oprah? How about thousands of men and women who are actually turning the wheels of commerce, keeping this country and hundreds of associated enterprises worldwide in business, making money and jobs? How about a policy that cultivates Australia, Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, Israel, and Thailand, rather than rushing to try and make friends with dictatorships and kleptocracies? Do we really care in the least what Zim-bob-we thinks about us?
And symbols matter too. We should close Guantanamo.
Bush said he's going to do that. I think it's the wrong move. Reality matters more than symbolism. And the rest of the world isn't going to say "Aren't the Americans nice, now that they've close Guantanamo!" They'll merely move on to the next bitch.
Recovering our global standing will come not only from how we fight or prevent the next war, or manage an increasingly chaotic world. Domestic policy must change as well. Steering the body politic out of its insular mood, reducing social and economic inequalities, and decreasing our dependence on fossil fuels will help improve our moral standing and our security.
They pay people to be this dopy at the Council on Foreign Relations?
Posted by:Fred

#37  Why They Hate Us
FAQUE. How's that for some concern?
Posted by: JerseyMike   2006-08-15 21:05  

#36  Ya know, I debated on whether or not to continue using "why do they hate us?" as a frequent punchline. But the left never tires of this line of thinking, so I guess it's still in my arsenal.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-08-15 20:59  

#35  "They hate us? Like hell. They're jealous. They have been for a damn long time. It's been a European tradition since around our Revolution, for heaven's sake."

And underlying that, I suspect there's also resentment at having been rejected. Most of us are here, instead of there, because our ancestors decided "This place sucks. Let's get the Hell out of here and move to America."

And damn few have chosen to go back.

Posted by: Dave D.   2006-08-15 18:08  

#34  I have found that the Americans the French like to speak with best are those filled with self-loathing for being American (Jules in the Hinterlands)

That's right. I have seen recently in Paris two examples of those self-hating Americans (both were, of course, leftists). They were likable at the beginning, but when the conversation switched to America, they just became mad ("9/11 is America's fault", "the US destroy the world", and so on...). I defended politely the US, and they calmed down. But I am sure they weren't cured.

[As for Blair's speech we talked about last day, all his "global warming, trade, poverty" is of course no more than standard PC 'clichés'. But the rest of the speech, the clear description of the worldwide danger of Islamism, was very good.]
Posted by: leroidavid   2006-08-15 17:41  

#33  One reason they hate us is there are a lot of useful idiots who believe the Marxist crap that the US (and West) could only be rich by taking from others. This provides a very convenient excuse for failed countries and failed cultures to avoid looking at their real problems and a very obvious point of US (and Western) villiany to rage against.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2006-08-15 17:34  

#32  We are trying to win hearts and minds. But are willing to splatter them if nessisary.

HT IMAO.
Posted by: DarthVader   2006-08-15 17:17  

#31  Welcome, leroidavid. Frenchmen who don't view us as the world's greatest threat, who can discuss events and ideas intelligently and reasonably are Frenchman we LIKE speaking with. I earned my degree in French, but I have a hard time finding opportunities to use it-other than in Quebec-because I am a shameless American. I have found that the Americans the French like to speak with best are those filled with self-loathing for being American, wouldn't you say? :)
Posted by: Jules in the Hinterlands   2006-08-15 17:13  

#30  And symbols matter too.

She's got a point there. I was really impressed when the USAF symbolically dropped those two 500-pounders on Zarkman's head.
Posted by: Matt   2006-08-15 17:01  

#29  In France, and more generally in Europe, our newspapers and radios and TV's are filled with this kind of analysis.

As a lot of comments point it, the US don't have to bother about this "hate".

1) The anti-Americans are jealous and mediocre people. The less they product, create, achieve in their personal life, the more they rage against America. I see this everywhere in Paris and the diverse countries of Europe I have recently visited.

2) Even if America was behaving with "modesty, discretion, cooperation, empathy, fairness, manners and lawfulness", the anti-Americans would find or invent new stupid pretexts to hate the US. Anti-Americanism is a sort of racism. As it is the case with racism, the problem doesn't lie in the people who are hated, but in the people who hate.

For me, reading the articles selected by Rantburg (and other American medias like FrontPageMagazine, The National Review, The Weekly Standards...), and the robust comments, is like breathing fresh oxygen.
Posted by: leroidavid   2006-08-15 16:44  

#28  Doesn't this "analyst" know any history at all?

Of course not, and that's precisely the point. Any knowledge of history tells you that all the crap this "Senior Fellow" hurls at the wall is true for just about every country in the world.

You want to talk about interfering in another country's business? How about Russia in Eastern Europe? Or France in sub-saharan Africa? Or Cuba in Angola?

Globalization? Have you looked on the roads in this country? Japanese and Korean cars as far as the eye can see!

Katrina? What did the Iranians do for themselves after that earthquake they had? Or the Pakistanis? Or the Turks? And that's just earthquakes! How about France and its heatwave roasting all its elderly? Katrina was a monster storm that would have posed a monumental task for any rescue operation.

One day, around the world, the question will be posed: "Why do the Americans hate us?"
Posted by: Dreadnought   2006-08-15 16:20  

#27  As the tag line on Rantburg sometimes says: Oderint dum metuant. Let them hate us, as long as they fear us. Especially the jihadis.
Posted by: Rambler   2006-08-15 16:01  

#26  Blah, blah, blah. It's all about the picture on the top. Really, it is. And the only time I could be said to be "left-leaning."
Posted by: ex-lib   2006-08-15 15:11  

#25  They hate us? Like hell. They're jealous. They have been for a damn long time. It's been a European tradition since around our Revolution, for heaven's sake. Doesn't this "analyst" know any history at all?

We only got a bit of a break right after 9/11, but that's only because there was a genuine fear of what we might do in reply and they were hoping it wasn't aimed their way. (Sympathy my ass....they were waiting to see if we would turn the Middle East into a giant expanse of radioactive green glass. You know damn well many other countries, if they would have gotten hit with something like that and had our arsenal at their disposal, would have been readying the bombers and missiles on 12 Sep.)

If "they" hated us, they wouldn't bust their asses trying to get their kids into our universities, visit Disneyland and go shopping, and trying to see if they could manage to get a green card too. Yeah, they throw protest marches every now and then showing our President as Satan, but then they regroup afterwards at Mickey D's and Starbucks, and show off their new Levi's and Nikes.

And as "they" are aware, many of us could go live somewhere else if we wanted to. I could go to Russia and live there....I speak the language, and am married to a Russian. My kid would be eligible for Russian citizenship, and I could be too after a while.

Am I gonna do it? What the hell for??? Even my sweetie doesn't want our little mite to have Russian citizenship. He wants him to have American citizenship, like he hopes to have someday.

If this writer wanted to really do something that wasn't a regurgitation of tranzi crap from the past 30 or so years, why didn't she write about how they hate native-born Americans for not valuing American citizenship/residency like the rest of the world does? Yeah, I know, might require some work and actual thought....silly me.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2006-08-15 15:07  

#24  When I read nonsense like this, I thank God that He has seen fit to make America's enemies so stupid.
Posted by: Dreadnought   2006-08-15 15:04  

#23  Steering the body politic out of its insular mood, reducing social and economic inequalities, and decreasing our dependence on fossil fuels will help improve our moral standing and our security.

A few tsk, tsk's to this very naive asanine statement:

(1) You haven't begun to see insular moods. I for one, would love to go full insular AIRT gov't (e.g. pull all "foreign aid" monies back home, shut down/militarize the borders, etc.).

(2) Reducing social/economic inequalities? PSHAW. So you'd like for all of us to live in cardboard boxes and tin huts? Or, just us "peons" who aren't enlightened, Julia. And, I call "projection" on this one. You wanna talk about social/economic inequalities? The ones who hate us the most (Saudi, Iran, N. Korea, Syria, even Russia, et al) have a TON more inequalities than we do (ruling classes vs. "real squalor living", women not being able to vote/go outside w/o a man, sentencing to death w/o trials, etc., shall I go on?).

(3) Reducing our dependence on oil? You think they're pissed off now, just wait til we actually dry up funding Saudi, Iran, et al, and subsequently, the Paki-Waki madrassahs, etc. Only the "Arab Street" hates us now. You dry up funding to Ali-Baba and his 2,000 Saudi princes and watch what happens. Of course, I'm all for this (and as a first move, get off their oil and drill our own).
Posted by: BA   2006-08-15 14:06  

#22  I hate them right back. Does that make us even? Goodie.
Posted by: Dar   2006-08-15 13:14  

#21  These clowns better quit asking "why they hate us" and start asking "why we hate them."

They keep this take-over-the-world-and-subject-everyone-to-sharia shit, they might find out. The hard way.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-08-15 12:37  

#20  "Steering the body politic out of its insular mood, reducing social and economic inequalities, and decreasing our dependence on fossil fuels will help improve our moral standing and our security."

Reads like a combination of modern Euro tranzi fantasy and DNC boilerplate.

Oops, sorry for the redundancy.

When will the RNC spend the money to run a decent info campaign that will a) show that the Dems want a society in the U.S. which is virtually identical to Euroland and b) that such a society is doomed to extinction? It wouldn't be that hard to do. And watching the Dems try to sputter and deny it would be high entertainment.

Most 'burgers get it about the connection between socialism/moral relativism/evangelicalsecularism and societal extinction, but lots of Americans need to have the dots connected. They're smart enough, if somebody would only do the connecting.
Posted by: no mo uro   2006-08-15 12:30  

#19  Sweig's thesis kinda reminds me of the parents I know who tell their kids that it's more important to be cool and popular than to be responsible, sober, chaste, and ethical.

BTW, when you get to some level of the academic-policy complex, do you get a pass on backing up your claims with facts and data?
Posted by: 11A5S   2006-08-15 12:27  

#18  Our biggest "crimes" are:
1) Our economy is growing twice as fast as Europe's.
2) Our jobless rate is 1/2 that of Europe.
3) Our population is growing. Europe's is shrinking.
4) Our GNP per capita is 1/3 higher than Europe's.

Anti-Americanism has more to do with the failures of those countries than anything the US does or does not do. Therefore Anti-Americanism will not go away till those countries start growing again.

She is right when she says it won't change under the Dumb-ocrats.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al   2006-08-15 12:20  

#17  does illustrates
Posted by: ed   2006-08-15 12:05  

#16  wants Jimmy Carter back
My first thought upon reading this steaming pile was "Too stupid to live.", but your brief description goes illustrates the point very well.
Posted by: ed   2006-08-15 11:59  

#15  Sounds like she wants Jimmy Carter back.
No fucking thank you...
Posted by: tu3031   2006-08-15 11:38  

#14  On that train of thought, didn't someone here post the immigration stats for most of these countries. Something like most Euro countries were losing population to the U.S., whereas we're "importing" them by the millions. Linky anyone?
Posted by: BA   2006-08-15 11:37  

#13  Quite the contrary. U.S. credibility abroad used to be reinforced by the perception that our laws and government programs gave most Americans a fair chance to participate in a middle-class meritocracy. But the appeal of the U.S. model overseas is eroding as the gap between rich and poor widens, public education deteriorates, healthcare costs soar and pensions disappear.


Why then do they keep coming by trhe millions.
A case could be made that 10-30 millipon illegal mouths at the teat are screwing it up for ther rest of us , no ?
Yet they keep coming. Must be something better here.....
Posted by: J. D. Lux   2006-08-15 11:35  

#12  Meant to add, even if they do end up hating us, I say piss off. We're trying to give you a right to self-determination. Not our fault you're not taking advantage of it. Jeebus, I imagine the Germans and Japanese hated us too, after WWII, eh Julia?
Posted by: BA   2006-08-15 11:33  

#11  What gets me while I'm reading this is the "good news" pictures coming out of Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. where our troops have been. Yes, we're good at trashing stuff(tm), but it appears we're also getting better at "winning hearts and minds." Yes, little 6 year old Achmed in Iraq will remember the guns/tanks/shelling in his 'hood, but he'll also remember GI Joe handing him candy, rebuilding his school, turning on the lights, getting him clean drinking water, etc. Methinks those who hate us(tm) are only the elites of those countries (ignorant of the realities of the world) or are the ruling class(tm) who stand something to lose when we trash stuff(tm) in their country (e.g. Baathists in Iraq, Taliban in Afghanistan, Jihadis in both), not your average Joe in Ramadi, Kost or even Baghdad. Yes, even they may hate us, but I don't suspect their children will.
Posted by: BA   2006-08-15 11:30  

#10  Fred, the Chicken Dance is a staple of Cincinnati's annual Oktoberfest, second biggest in the world after the original in Munich.
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-08-15 11:23  

#9  When did it become policy that everybody like us. The US ever did pack up and told the rest of the world f*ck off they sh*t themselves.
Posted by: djohn66   2006-08-15 11:11  

#8  This is the kind of crap that makes me seethe.
it is deeply entrenched antipathy accumulated over decades. It may take generations to undo.
Oh, they don't like us! Mommy, make them like us!
Apparently, the goal of all American policy to make the rest of the world like us. This whole piece is so shallow and lame that I won't bother with it anymore. She got a whole book out of this crap?
Posted by: Spot   2006-08-15 10:53  

#7  ...as the gap between rich and poor widens,

...reducing social and economic inequalities

Is Ralph Nader running for President again?
Posted by: Raj   2006-08-15 10:48  

#6  Every country wants the power of the US military and economy at THEIR disposal. Ms. Sweig and her bosses at the DNC propose to make that a reality.

Ms. Sweig needs some seasoning in the way the world really works. I suggest, for starters, a four year hitch in the army.
Posted by: ed   2006-08-15 10:40  

#5  Why do they hate us? Some because they envy us. Some because their "god" commands them.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2006-08-15 10:28  

#4  " a foreign policy that deploys U.S. power with some consideration for how the U.S. is perceived will gradually make legitimate U.S. military action more acceptable abroad. "

Coffee shooting out nostrils as I laugh hysterically...
Posted by: Jules in the Hinterlands   2006-08-15 09:33  

#3  Fishin must not be too good.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-08-15 09:26  

#2  Tranzi trash.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-08-15 09:19  

#1  Here's the test.

If a country suffers a major disaster who do they turn to for real substantive help?

a - the UN
b - the EU
c - the USA

Years after the disaster and an accounting takes place, who delivered on their word?

a - the UN
b - the EU
c - the USA

Reviewing back after those same years, who promised a lot but delivered nothing but showboating?

a - the UN
b - the EU
c - the USA

I'd take a good Vegas bet that Julia wouldn't pass.
Posted by: Grick Unosing4544   2006-08-15 09:12  

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