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Afghanistan
At least 50 Taliban killed in Afghan fighting
2006-09-05
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) -- U.S. artillery and airstrikes killed between 50 and 60 suspected Taliban militants Tuesday, the fourth day of a NATO-led offensive in southern Afghanistan, an alliance spokesman said.
Ah, I love good news to start the week
NATO already has reported more than 200 Taliban killed in the operation. The U.S. troops, operating under NATO command, clashed with the militants in Panjwayi district of Kandahar province, where an offensive began over the weekend to flush out hundreds of Taliban fighters.

Maj. Quentin Innis, a NATO spokesman, said the troops had identified Taliban positions and the two sides had exchanged fire. He said the estimate of 50 to 60 killed was based on reports from troops looking through "weapons sights and other observation devices." He said there had been no NATO or Afghan troop casualties. It wasn't possible for reporters to reach the site of the battle to independently confirm the death toll.
"Not that we'd really want to leave the hotel bar, you understand"

The Afghan Defense Ministry also said 200 militants had died since Saturday -- increasing its previously reported toll of 89. The dead included four Taliban commanders and 12 of their bodyguards, a ministry statement said, citing intelligence reports.
Goody, goody
Five Canadian soldiers have also been killed, one in a friendly fire incident Monday involving a U.S. warplane.

Mullah Dadullah, the Taliban military commander for south and southeastern Afghanistan, has rejected NATO's claims of more than 200 dead.
"Nope, didn't happen."
Qari Yousaf Ahmadi, who claims to speak for the Taliban, said if NATO had killed so many Taliban fighters, they should show them to the media. He also denied that hundreds of Taliban militants were trapped in Panjwayi, and said its fighters were battling NATO and Afghan forces there. He spoke to an Associated Press reporter by phone from an undisclosed location.
Keep talking, Qari.
Another NATO spokesman Maj. Scott Lundy said earlier Tuesday that an estimated 700 militants were "trapped" in an area spanning several hundred square miles in Panjwayi and Zhari districts, some in fortified compounds, others moving in the open.
If they stay put, we'll root them out. If they run, they're exposed to air strikes. Not exactly "trapped", but not "surrounded" Saudi style
NATO has also reported 80 Taliban have been arrested and that another 180 have fled the fighting -- some of the most intense since the fall of the Taliban regime nearly five years ago. "It's a complex battle space. Some (Taliban) elements are fixed, others are moving," Lundy said.

During Monday's clashes, a U.S. A-10 Thunderbolt warplane supporting NATO mistakenly strafed Canadian troops fighting Taliban forces in Panjwayi, killing one soldier and seriously wounding five. A top U.S. general expressed sadness over the incident, which was being investigated by a board of military officers.

"The death or injury of each and every coalition member is a tragedy that saddens us, our families and the military and civilian members of the coalition," Lt. Gen. Gary North, commander of U.S. Central Command Air Forces said in a statement. A 12-year old girl was killed and nine other civilians were treated for wounds from the fighting in Panjwayi at a Kandahar hospital, said Dr. Qayyum Pohya, the hospital's chief.

Fighting between resurgent Taliban militants and U.S. and NATO forces has left hundreds dead in the past four months -- the deadliest violence since the pro-al-Qaida Taliban regime's 2001 ouster.
Insert "doom, gloom, quagemire" here

The latest clashes came as NATO leaders, including Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and top commander U.S. Gen. James L. Jones, were in Afghanistan for talks with Afghan officials on a security and development accord and to assess progress in the alliance's mission to stabilize the volatile south.

The NATO chiefs, who arrived in Afghanistan late Monday, are due to travel around the country and on Wednesday meet beleaguered President Hamid Karzai. Their three-day visit will coincide with a trip to Kabul by neighboring Pakistan's President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

Pakistan, a key Western ally in the war on terrorism, is under increasing pressure to crackdown on Taliban on its soil. Afghanistan claims militia leaders stay in Pakistan and that militants launch cross-border attacks. Pakistan denies the presence of Taliban leaders and says it has 80,000 troops at the border to stop infiltration.
Yeah, right
Posted by:Steve

#10  What is so friggin' hard about keeping a bunch of uneducated morons from growing opium? If you find opium ==> spray it! Who cares if somebody gets a skin rash the next day? In fact, use a little napalm here and there and perhaps people will decide it's more trouble than it's worth. Let it be known far and wide that if they are found growing opium and they claim to own it, that they have a choice between jail and knocking down their house and raping their goats (we can get some Taliban to do that since they seem to enjoy that kind of thing). If they don't claim to own it, then they shouldn't mind if we spray it. Or we can kill them and their family. Anyway, what's so hard? Logistics? Seems to me if Americans are dying because of this money, it's worth it to invest a thousand guys into stemming a huge source of $$$.
Posted by: gorb   2006-09-05 22:27  

#9  I wonder where this cannon fodder is coming from?

StrategyPage has more details. It says 1/3 are Pakistanis and 5% other foreigners. Of the Afghans, it did not break down how many were from Afghanistan or refugees living (and indoctrinated) in Pakistan.

The increased fighting is from the extra money coming from the out of control opium trade (as much of 50% of Afghan GDP), "defeat" of Pakistani forces in the tribal territories, and a belief that if the European forces are bloodied, they will leave.
Posted by: ed   2006-09-05 21:06  

#8  And as long as the junkies in the West buy Afghani heroin, the Taliban will have the funding to keep buying themselves a bunch of stupid tribals to fight and die for them. For those who are having a hard time understanding the whole rent-a-tribal issue, it is like have the US and Mexico in the 1880s fighting along the border in an undeclared war. The Mexicans would be arming and paying Apaches, Commanches, and bandits to conduct running raids across the border in the US. And the US would be killing them in large numbers, like now. The major problem for the West in this kind of battle is that we no longer do the necessary actions to end this sort of thing : scorched earth on identified enemy villages, constant cross-border raids in strength, and cantonment of hostile populations in designated areas - with shoot on sight if they wander off the reservation.
Posted by: Shieldwolf   2006-09-05 20:41  

#7  I wonder where this cannon fodder is coming from?

My money would be on mostly Pakistanis from the tribal areas, followed closely by Afghans, with various Arabs making up the remainder.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2006-09-05 18:26  

#6  Is this the "last stand" for the Taliwhackers?
Posted by: Flanter Spuling4056   2006-09-05 18:26  

#5  I wonder where this cannon fodder is coming from?

If these are native Afghans then we might have a problem in the future. At some point the body count will affect demographics.

On the other hand, if they are from Pakistan I say keep 'em coming.
Posted by: Iblis   2006-09-05 17:41  

#4  We need new clean score cards and maps.
The handoff of this area from American forces to NATO was a great move. As an organization, NATO needs real time operations to flush out inefficiency and adopt latest theater advances. It is also a chance for our allies to help us in this common interest war.
Hooah !
Posted by: wxjames   2006-09-05 16:54  

#3  I thought I killered the B1?
Posted by: Jimmuah Preplexed Retired Shakey   2006-09-05 16:31  

#2  Concerning the dead and doomed Taliban:

Allahu akbar! As God wills!
Posted by: gorb   2006-09-05 16:26  

#1  Just keep stackem' like cordwood. It's the only thing they really grasp.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat   2006-09-05 15:37  

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