You have commented 339 times on Rantburg.

Your Name
Your e-mail (optional)
Website (optional)
My Original Nic        Pic-a-Nic        Sorry. Comments have been closed on this article.
Bold Italic Underline Strike Bullet Blockquote Small Big Link Squish Foto Photo
India-Pakistan
Taliban – winners of the peace deal?
2006-09-09
The growing consensus among political observers is that the Waziristan peace deal, instead of showcasing President General MusharrafÂ’s commitment to eliminating the country of pro-Taliban elements, may, in fact, send the signal to Washington that his support of militants remains as strong as it did five years ago, when he was only one of three leaders to recognise AfghanistanÂ’s Taliban regime.
It takes a highly convoluted logical process to escape that conclusion, doesn't it?
“Although the deal was aimed at ending cross-border insurgent attacks from Pakistan into Afghanistan, many predict that it will have the contrary effect by creating Taliban and Qaeda refuges...”
Although the deal was aimed at ending cross-border insurgent attacks from Pakistan into Afghanistan, many predict that it will have the contrary effect by creating Taliban and Qaeda refuges. Leading Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid, author of “Taliban”, says that the deal “has set up a safe haven for Al Qaeda and the Taliban”.
No! Reeeeeally? Who'da ever thunk that?
This is a view shared by Samina Ahmed of the Brussels-based International Crisis Group (ICG), who describes the accord as having “ceded North Waziristan to the Talibs”.
Yeah, if the government doesn't control the area and the Talibs are the ones who are controlling the area, it's pretty easy to come to that conclusion, isn't it? Shaukat Sultan's slip of the tongue the other day merely serves to reinforce it.
Officially, Washington has so far rejected such claims, with President George W Bush saying in an interview on Thursday that he didnÂ’t see the deal as providing militant safe havens.
He's being polite. Very polite.
The American media, however, appears to have already begun sharpening its knives, ahead of General MusharrafÂ’s visit to the US later this month, by attacking IslamabadÂ’s track record on dealing with the Taliban. The New York Times on Thursday quoted Seth G Jones, a political scientist at the RAND Corporation, as saying that Pakistani agents had helped hide Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, and tipped off fighters as to the movements of US-led forces.
I'm sure no one here's ever suspected such a thing... Oh. Except for those occasions, I mean.
Critics point out that it was only after the assassination attempts on his life that General Musharraf in early 2004 ordered an offensive in South Waziristan which later moved north, taking the fight into two of the most recalcitrant of the countryÂ’s seven tribal agencies. While Al Qaeda nests were found, the army also came into conflict with pro-Taliban tribesmen. Moreover, the army offensive served to stiffen tribal resistance against the government.
Has anybody but me noticed that the Pak army has a much harder time with these goobers than does the fledgling Afghan army, barely out of its formational diapers? An old boy officers' corps and a cannon fodder enlisted base is bad enough, but motivating your military with daily doses of Olde Tyme Religion and then sending them to hunt down and kill holy men while backed by tribal lashkars is a sure recipe for disaster.
“... the army became bogged down on two fronts: fighting what many regarded as an American war and coming under fire for brutally quelling a nationalist revolt in Balochistan...”
Thus the army became bogged down on two fronts: fighting what many regarded as an American war and coming under fire for brutally quelling a nationalist revolt in Balochistan. The army paid the price for this dual offensive. During the Waziristan campaigns, it lost 220 men, while more than 700 were wounded. Its tribal paramilitary forces also suffered large-scale desertions.
Contrast casualty figures for Afghan army operations.
Thus Rashid firmly believes, given this context, that the Waziristan peace deal “has been triggered most keenly by Musharraf in order to placate his constituency, which is the army”.
Bingo. Fighting a real war is beyond their capacity, though they are good at scatching each other's backs.
Critics point out that the primary beneficiaries of the deal are the militants in North Waziristan. Prisoners have been released, troops sent back to the barracks, checkpoints removed, weapons returned and money paid out. In addition, the decision to let the pro-Taliban Jamiat Ulema-e-Isam (JUIF) broker the accord has increased the party’s power and influence, with one diplomat describing the move as akin to “putting the fox in charge of the hen house’.
Y'might say that, seeing as how the JUI's closely allied with them — to the extent that the Talibs raised the JUI's flag when they briefly took control of a couple Afghan towns.
But what has the government got from the deal? Not much, according to critics, who point out there is no guarantee that militants, not necessarily the ones who signed the accord, would refrain from carrying out cross-border attacks against either Pakistani troops or those from across the border. Moreover, if the US were to launch missile attacks on suspected Al Qaeda targets hiding there, as it has done in the past, the entire area could become destabilised.
As opposed to... what? What is it now? What has it ever been?
Indeed, the frontier’s history is littered with broken peace deals. “None of them have been honoured. Why should we assume this time round it is going to be honoured?” said the ICG’s Ahmed.
Posted by:Fred

#19  Divide it along the Indus river - give the eastern part to India, and the western part to Afghanistan.

Problem is, neither of them want it.

Unless you're suggesting the land is cleared of its "inhabitants" first. Might get some takers in that case.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2006-09-09 16:46  

#18  Lol, Barbara. A little short on patience with the social engineering crowd, eh?
Posted by: .com   2006-09-09 16:11  

#17  #16 ltop: "Night basketball just isn't cutting it, anymore.

Sadly true, .com. A nation of social workers has lost its purpose."

Gott sei dank!!

Now if they would just get lost, too....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-09-09 16:05  

#16  Night basketball just isn't cutting it, anymore

Sadly true, .com. A nation of social workers has lost its purpose.
Posted by: lotp   2006-09-09 15:09  

#15  I blame The History Channel and NatGeo.

Hey stranger, you can tell it's getting bad when even National Geographic's journalists are being detained as spies.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-09 15:03  

#14  Hey, lotp. :-)

So, got some nominees for figuring out those wind patterns 'n stuff? I figure we're globally hated, are sooo doomed when the Yellowstone SuperVol goes off, and really have nothing to lose except our existence, so we should get on top of this thing. Night basketball just isn't cutting it, anymore. From a sterile POV it's the only purely rational response to the way things are headed. Pretty hard to swallow, I know, all those inconvenient feelings and such falderol, but ya gotta admit it's logical. Heh.

I blame The History Channel and NatGeo. Those MegaDisaster shows really get the juices flowing, y'know? It's all of the not if, but when variety. Unassailable logic boxes - reminiscent of my hero, Den Beste. Lol.

Let's roll.
Posted by: .com   2006-09-09 14:53  

#13  Good to have you here again, .com.
Posted by: lotp   2006-09-09 14:36  

#12  Heh, yeah, at least a little of me is back. I apologize if my posts don't measure up... I don't have much to say these days that isn't being well said already by someone else and my mental state is very mental, indeed, lol.
Posted by: .com   2006-09-09 14:16  

#11  Dude, are you really back?
Posted by: Classical_Liberal   2006-09-09 14:01  

#10  Duh. Forgot the San Andreas, of course.
Posted by: .com   2006-09-09 12:52  

#9  WB
Posted by: Frank G   2006-09-09 12:37  

#8  Okay. Be cool. I've been thinking about this story and the grid thing for a few hours now, and like a lightening bolt (Lol, I was watching a MegaDisaster episode on The History Channel) it came to me. And I wanted to share it. Think of it as just a little thought experiment brought on by watching too much "documentary" TV...

First it was overpopulation and mass starvation. Then killer asteroids. Then super tsunamis. Now super volcanos. And, sooner or later, a pandemic that dwarfs the 1918 Spanish Flu. I'm sure I've left out some doozies that've been floated by the scammers, but this suffices, I'd say. MegaHumongoMonsterDisasters. Human extinction. It will happen. We can't stop it. Global warming cooling climate change? Piffle. Petty kid stuff. I'm talking ELE here. We're waaay doomed. I saw it on TV.

I propose that we round some of our megasmart non-idiotarians and study the shit out of these phenomena and, wherever possible, we figure out where the "safest" places on the planet will be. We should go ahead and quarantine all of the shitheads who're directly assisting in our doom, such as China. We can play up how they've mishandled things and screwed over WHO and everyone else trying to protect themselves. Piece of cake to make the case. It's easy to show pricks to be, well, pricks. And then, when the Venn diagrams have been drawn, percentages calculated, mineshaft gaps plugged, plenty of hot Indian policewymyns and extra Buck Turgison purdy wymyns, and most excelent super-good cooks identified, important stocks prepositioned, fiber optics laid for the cool-folks intranet that will remain, our good guys have packed their gear, moonbats pinpointed (Hey, you didn't think you'd get off without individual assignments, did ya?) and the "inventories" are full, you can figure out the drill, well then: we go ahead and kill everyone we don't like - making sure we clear out the "safe zones", in particular. When we have the list of losers, the logical deserving recipients of our attention, we'll prove how smart we are - we'll mimic our betters and start a UN Fund to which they'll be required to donate to, heavily. We'll think up a good reason. Remember the 'B' Ark? Like that. The goat-star idea was pretty inventive. We can match it. We'll put some in ourselves to remove suspicion - and convince them they'll be the only ones who will be allowed to draw on it. Something like that. They'll go for it - it's what they live for. So we get their money and stuff then kill 'em. Kill 'em all off.

We'll prolly have to restart those neutron weapons production lines. I like Italian leather shoes and silk kimonos.

I figure we'll let John Howard in on the gig. He's smart and extra-cool. Ozzies are our natural brothers. real Mavericks and stuff, like us. They'll see the beauty of the plan and probably help us figure out how to scam the losers. Mebbe we'll have an internal poll to see if there's anyone else out there who won't fuck things up. I'm not too optimistic.

We don't know when we'll need these zones, but I don't believe in procrastination. So let's get on it today.

Yep. Shit's gonna fall on us, drown us, blow us up, destroy us from within. We're seriously screwed - if we don't act. If we're too wimpy to do this, then we deserve to get whacked. Sure it sucks a little, but we're tough, aren't we? We're forward-thinking and all that shit, right? Well hell then, let's get on the stick.

Be prepared. That's my motto.

Go ahead, X us up. I'm ready. I have a plan, baby.
Posted by: .com   2006-09-09 12:37  

#7  Politically and socially Pakistan is headed towards what Afghanistan looked like after the Soviets pulled out.

Only they have nuclear weapons capabilities.
Posted by: DoDo   2006-09-09 12:14  

#6  GOSH (Grid of Smoking Holes) pour l'encouragement l'autres
Posted by: Uliter Glosh6909   2006-09-09 10:45  

#5  LOL, do you have a preference, UG6909? :)
Posted by: flyover   2006-09-09 10:07  

#4  Not just you.
Posted by: Uliter Glosh6909   2006-09-09 08:57  

#3  If Saudi / Wahhabist funding dried up, I get the feeling that PakiLand would disintegrate into an even more desperate free-for-all between the gazillion factions... I'm thinking implosion.

I believe it ends in either implosion and disintegration, simply digesting itself, or someday being turned into a grid of smoking holes. But that's just me.
Posted by: flyover   2006-09-09 05:37  

#2  I believe the only way to stop the nonsense in Pakistan is to do away with the nation entirely. Divide it along the Indus river - give the eastern part to India, and the western part to Afghanistan. Afghanistan gets oil and gas, a deep-water port, and expanded territory in which to live and prosper. India gets a nuclear test range, a solution to the "Kashmir problem", and an opportunity to allow its army to knock some heads together. "Pakistan" was created by the British. It's time for the Americans to end its existence, in cooperation with Afghanistan and India. A noble but failed experiment, time to move on.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2006-09-09 04:19  

#1  Anything that permits the Taliban continued oxygen consumption can only be construed as a "win" for them. We need to Arclight Western Pakistan, then post aerial drones to kill whatever crawls out of the rubble.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-09 03:01  

00:00