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US 'must live with nuclear Tehran'
2006-10-02
America will have to learn to live with a nuclear Iran, top US intelligence analysts have concluded at a secret meeting.

Senior operatives and analysts from the intelligence community were almost unanimous in their view that little could be done to stop Iran acquiring the components for a nuclear bomb.

Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities was rejected on the grounds that the intelligence needed for successful air strikes was lacking.

"We only have an imperfect understanding of the extent and location of the Iranian program," said one source with knowledge of last week's meeting near Washington. "Even if we got the order to blow it up, we wouldn't know how to."

The White House's earlier enthusiasm for military strikes if all else failed has cooled after warnings from the Pentagon and intelligence analysts that the risk-to-reward ratio of taking action is too high. At best, 80 per cent of the targets are mapped out and then only sketchily.

The "collateral damage" to civilians could be considerable, sources say.

"Unless you can be 100 per cent effective and set the program back by two decades, you'll just get a short-term delay in the program and you may not produce a result that is better than the current one," an intelligence analyst said.

General John Abizaid, commander of US forces in the Middle East, has warned that striking Iran could cripple oil supplies, unleash a "surrogate" terrorist army and lead to missile attacks on America's regional allies. Cite?

The army is particularly concerned about Iran's ability to destabilise an already chaotic Iraq. US director of national intelligence John Negroponte has told President George W. Bush that there is no rush to use force as Iran's nuclear program is beset with technical errors. Cite?

"He has been saying 'Slow down, it's not an immediate problem'," said Patrick Clawson, an Iran expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Talk about a mixed bag of people who couldn't agree on what day it is...

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has staked her reputation on achieving a negotiated settlement with the help of the "EU3" nations of Britain, France and Germany. Cite?

"President Bush is not going to take military action against the advice of the Secretary of State, US generals and the director of national intelligence," Mr Clawson said.

Despite reports that the Iranians were willing to suspend their program secretly, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has defiantly announced that Iran's "atomic work" would not stop for a single day.

Intelligence analysts concluded at last week's meeting that there were no negotiating carrots or sticks, such as sanctions, capable of persuading Iran to halt its pursuit of nuclear know-how - which it maintains is for peaceful energy purposes.

"The sobering view is that even if there is a deal, the Iranians would cheat," another source said. "The conclusion is that America is going to have to live with the bomb unless there's some miracle, such as a major accident, a major defector or an orange revolution," the source added, referring to the people's protests that brought reformers to power in Ukraine.

None of these scenarios is considered particularly likely. The nuclear program had broad popular support, the analysts agreed, and a military strike could bolster the clerical regime.

Even if Iran was attacked, one analyst said, they would start their efforts again with even greater secrecy.

In a sign that a military option remains theoretically on the table, a group of minesweepers that could be used to clear any potential Iranian oil blockade of the Strait of Hormuz have been given "prepare to deploy" orders, which could see them leaving port for the Persian Gulf as early as late yesterday. Huh? WTF? Cite?

The biggest deterrent might come from the Israelis, not the Americans. Israeli defence sources are increasingly convinced that it will fall to them to stop a nuclear Iran. In their view, Iran should not be allowed to get to the "point of no return" where it has the know-how to build a bomb.

"The Israelis are going to have to make a decision earlier than we do," Mr Clawson said. "That's a real problem for us."
Gosh, the only named source who is directly quoted is Clawson. Otherwise, it's just fuckin' cotton candy.
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#23  I prefer a good proctologist to an anal-st
Posted by: Captain America   2006-10-02 23:21  

#22  Don't forget taking out their refinary and blocking refined imports. Oh and if you can take out their navy as well so they can't block the stright.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-10-02 18:46  

#21  The big question is whether a Nuclear Iran will be willing to live with the US or whether Imanutjob will try to bring about the end of days.

This is not a viable option, frozen al. Iran's leadership is far too unstable to consider their having possession of nuclear weapons even for a single millisecond.

mojo's order of battle works just fine for me.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-02 16:08  

#20  Stage 1: Pre-emptive strike on all known nuclear processing sites and reactors. Air forces destroyed.

Stage 2: All military site of any sort carpet-bombed into itty-bitty rubble. Ditto government buildings and personal compounds of leaders.

Stage 3: Blockade all ports. Nothing in, nothing out. Civ airliners violating airspace destroyed without warning. Enjoy starvation, assholes.

Stage 4: There is no stage 4. Stages 1-3 seem to take care of the immediate problem.
Posted by: mojo   2006-10-02 14:45  

#19  Lol. Null is void of specifics.
Posted by: .com   2006-10-02 14:39  

#18  And who elected them [and the ponies camels they rode in on] to make such national security decisions?

there, fixed that for ya' #7 gg

btw the answer is 'themselves'
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-10-02 10:52  

#17  Sooo, what is it that you DO here?
Posted by: newc   2006-10-02 10:50  

#16  Iran has already vowed that it would destroy Israel given the chance. They are just waiting for the means to do so.

And ole murdering nutjob is quite willing to bring about the 'End of Days' since it would produce the 12th Iman...

I know it takes a long time but are we doing anything to develop the human intel we so desparately need in Iran?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-10-02 10:34  

#15  The big question is whether a Nuclear Iran will be willing to live with the US or whether Imanutjob will try to bring about the end of days.

Al
Posted by: frozen al   2006-10-02 10:28  

#14  Sounds to me like these "intelligence" sources and "Pentagon" sources are saying that they haven't been doing their jobs. Even if it is so, I fail to see how terminating the Iranian leadership and pulverizing all known nuclear and missile targets would not be to our advantage with respect to Iran, North Korea, and Pakistan. It will be interesting to see how things change in a month, after the elections. I welcome an unfettered George Bush.
Posted by: Darrell   2006-10-02 10:15  

#13  OK, but there is such a thing as exporting. The prospect of Jihadis getting their hands on even a small nuclear device is to horrible to contemplate. Who needs 'fallout' if you can set of a nuke right here? A nuclear Iran is totally unacceptable. Instead of concluding we must learn to 'live' with it, these so-called analysts should be concentrating on how to stop it.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-10-02 09:55  

#12  It should be easy to live with a nuclear Teheran. The prevailing winds are such that very little of the fallout would affect America.
Posted by: RWV   2006-10-02 09:42  

#11  America will have to learn to live with Imperial Japan, top US intelligence analysts have concluded at a secret meeting.

Senior operatives and analysts from the intelligence community were almost unanimous in their view that little could be done to stop Japan from dominating the Pacific and conquering China, Korea, French Indochina, New Zealand, and Australia.

Bombing Japan itself was rejected on the grounds that the intelligence needed for successful air strikes was lacking.

"We only have an imperfect understanding of the extent and location of the Japanese," said one source with knowledge of last week's meeting near Washington. "Even if we got the order to blow them up, we wouldn't know how to."

The White House's earlier enthusiasm for military strikes if all else failed has cooled after warnings from the Pentagon and intelligence analysts that the risk-to-reward ratio of taking action is too high. At best, 80 per cent of the targets are mapped out and then only sketchily.

And besides, the Japanese are just too darn inscrutable.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2006-10-02 09:29  

#10  America will have to learn to live with Nazi Germany, top US intelligence analysts have concluded at a secret meeting.

Senior operatives and analysts from the intelligence community were almost unanimous in their view that little could be done to stop Nazi Germany from conquering Europe.

Bombing Nazi Germany's military was rejected on the grounds that the intelligence needed for successful air strikes was lacking.

"We only have an imperfect understanding of the extent and location of the German military," said one source with knowledge of last week's meeting near Washington. "Even if we got the order to blow it up, we wouldn't know how to."

The White House's earlier enthusiasm for military strikes if all else failed has cooled after warnings from the Pentagon and intelligence analysts that the risk-to-reward ratio of taking action is too high. At best, 80 per cent of the targets are mapped out and then only sketchily...
Posted by: Anonymoose   2006-10-02 09:25  

#9  Is this another NIE assessment? Why is this published in Australia, instead of the New York Times?
Posted by: Bobby   2006-10-02 08:47  

#8  If we are to survive we will have to take them out. Plain and simple, this Iranian leader intends to use these weapons against us when he gets them done. He is not rational and they have only one concern, kill the infadels. Just living with it, means converting to Islam or dieing. We need to hammer the locations we know about and keep beating them until they are no longer a threat.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2006-10-02 08:44  

#7  America will have to learn to live with a nuclear Iran, top US intelligence analysts have concluded at a secret meeting.

And who elected them [and the ponies they rode in on] to make such national security decisions?
Posted by: Glitle Grenter4308   2006-10-02 08:39  

#6  
Ultimately, I believe we are going to have to go after the nest.

Iran Sending Jihadists Into Afghanistan?
Posted by: SR-71   2006-10-02 08:31  

#5  US must live with millions of dead Isreali's.

The army is particularly concerned about Iran's ability to destabilise an already chaotic Iraq.

You mean it isn't now?

"The conclusion is that America is going to have to live with the bomb unless there's some miracle, such as a major accident, a major defector or an orange revolution,"

Oh lets just hope that the robbers, murderers, and rapist who followed us home don't come to our house. No need to lock the doors or defend ouselves...

Seems to me we should then be expending all our efforts to make the 'miracle' happen.

Even if Iran was attacked, one analyst said, they would start their efforts again with even greater secrecy.

Not if they are too busy enjoying their 72 raisins...
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-10-02 08:19  

#4  well-sourced sources say.....
Posted by: Frank G   2006-10-02 08:12  

#3  If the Israelis act against Iran, the blowback against the US, in Iraq and elsewhere, will be pretty much the same as if the US struck Iran on its own. If Israel strikes Iran, the US might as well also.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2006-10-02 05:24  

#2  Yeah - just like I'm ever going to live with fucking cockroaches. Bullshit.

US 'must live fuck with nuclear Tehran'

There, fixed that.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-02 05:09  

#1  Yeah - just like I'm going to live with these haemorrhoids. Bollocks.
Posted by: Howard UK   2006-10-02 04:29  

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