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| 4 in 10 South Koreans Blame US for Nork nukes |
| 2006-10-16 |
| Yep, I'm back, from Iraq no less (more about that later), and ready to resume the war here on the homefront. Media beasts are hereby warned. SEOUL, Oct. 15 (UPI) -- Four in 10 South Koreans blamed the United States more than any other country for North Korea's test of a nuclear weapon, a survey said. Of 500 adults questioned by South Korea's Research Plus research firm, 43 percent selected the United States over other countries as the one most responsible for the test North Korea performed Monday, the Korea Times said Sunday. North Korea was chosen second with 37 percent, followed by South Korea with almost 14 percent, China with about 2 percent and Japan with 1 percent. Look what they made us do!! Wah! Wah! About 20 percent of the respondents said they were not particularly worried by the test and nearly 30 percent said panic buying was unnecessary and another 35 percent said they didn't engage in panic buying because they were desensitized to the issue. lemmings, pre-brainwashed into giving up without a fight, a fight they would win if they tried. Panic buying is an indicator of people's attitudes, the Times said. About 12 percent of those questioned said the lack of panic in South Korea was attributable to improved relations between the two countries. The telephone survey conducted Tuesday and Wednesday has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percent, the Times said. US culpability is a very common theme in media-industrial complex coverage of the Korean issue (and every other issue, for that matter). In this case, there is no attempt at a factual defense, just constant repetition to plant the meme in gullible segments of the population. In an interview last week, for example, left media maven and Parade magazine editor David Wallichensky brazenly proclaimed that both North Korea and Iran had initiated their nuclear programs after the US invasion of Iraq made them feel less secure. This is ridiculous on its face, since these programs were provably initiated many years ago, but large elements of the media-conformist population won't know any better. Wallichensky's claim went unchallenged, btw. A second media meme, constantly treated as something to be taken for granted and therefore never challenged, involves the alleged invincibility of the North Korean conventional forces, Kim's "million man army." These reports sometimes mention the 37,000 US troops in South Korea but ignore the very existence of the South Korean (ROK)forces, let alone their stength and efficiency. This myth/meme is especially popular among the MSM's academic counterparts. I recently heard a poli-sci type from Texas A&M declare that even if we nuked the north, "what was left of Kim's army would capture Seoul in about 15 minutes." This is serious bravo-sierra but, again, nobody was able to offer a challenge. Incidentally, how many people remember MSM references to Saddam's "battle-hardened million man army" in 1991? |
| Posted by:Thugum Chereng8326 |
| #19 Hey AC - Welcome back! Looking forward to your on-hands insight into what is happening over there. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2006-10-16 19:00 |
| #18 AC & 49 - Sounds like we need to rotate a couple million folks through Iraq, so statistically we get a Charles Whitman back to go postal and 'adjust' a bunch of Moonbats. Seriously though, thanks for doing some of the heavy lifting for the rest of us. |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2006-10-16 18:17 |
| #17 The US should have left South Korea long ago. They are industrialized democracy that knows their neighborhood best. Let them defend themselves, and if that fails let North Korea have them. The US should help folks to help themselves, we should not be bodyguards that allow our clients to grow arrogant and defenseless behind our shield. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2006-10-16 18:11 |
| #16 Gotta keep that hot button under control. I stayed distant for about six months until I got numb to the dumbshits that really believe the retoric they spew. Now I have come to realize you can't argue with the stupid, or streelights for that matter, but I can finish my beer, kick the ol pan to life and move on. |
| Posted by: 49 Pan 2006-10-16 16:34 |
| #15 Excellent advice, Pan. Thanks again to all for the welcome home messages. I have actually been a little jumpy and moody since I got back, a little off balance. I get frustrated at traffic lights and so many of the local elite, officials, media, business types, seem like so many posturing baboons to me, as though they wouldn't know reality if it jumped out and bit them on the ass. I see the enemy within much more clearly than I did. The local Moonbats do not connect their sound bites and canned rhetoric and petitions and posters with shattered bodies and screaming victims on the streets of Baghdad. To them, it is a game, a declaration of cultural identity in the pursuit of status. To me, it is the power that drives the jihad, for the head choppers and car bombers have no other hope of achieving their goals. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2006-10-16 15:57 |
| #14 Welcome back AC, Go take a hot shower and rid yourself of the sand, no shower hours or time limits here. Go to your car and get in it, skip the bomb check, commo check, weapons ck etc... Drive any route you want to the nearest diner. Go in and sit with your back to the door, bet you can't do it! Order up a fat pork steak and a cold beer from the cutest waitress in the joint. Be sure to call her darlin and let her catch you checkin her out, no burka betty's here. Then sit back eat, drink that beer and smile, your home-aint it great!! |
| Posted by: 49 Pan 2006-10-16 14:21 |
| #13 Good to see you, AC. Welcome home. |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2006-10-16 09:47 |
| #12 Welcome back AC! In my new study, 9 out of 10 Americans blame South Korea for being spineless and giving aid to prop up a dying regime. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2006-10-16 09:43 |
| #11 How could it possibly be America's fault that another country performed a nuclear test ? Logic is turning over in it's grave. |
| Posted by: wxjames 2006-10-16 09:43 |
| #10 Nimble you are right i reckon. NorK is China's terrorist wing. |
| Posted by: anon1 2006-10-16 09:23 |
| #9 Mark- Don't forget (as the MSM does) that under Clinton we had one-on-one talks with NorK (under that idiot Sec. of State whose name shall not be mentioned). Kimmie, of course, blew off his end and proceeded with development. What does it take to get some folks to recognize a stall tactic when they see one? Same with Iran. The only answer I can come up with is that they're on the other side. |
| Posted by: Spot 2006-10-16 08:24 |
| #8 The problem with a war with North Korea is that it is not a country, but a terrorist organization masquerading as one, a wholly owned subsidiary of the PLA. If China backs the Norks, the war is with China. If China doesn't back the Norks, the war is over in less than a week if only the SoKors fight, two daqys if we do; but in any case it would probably be unnecessary as China would already have replaced the Korean management with one more to its liking, returning us to the China backs the Norks scenario. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2006-10-16 08:22 |
| #7 If it would cost 50,000 American lives to win a war with North Korea, we wouldn't win. I doubt if the people would stand for losses in the single digit thousands before successfully demanding withdrawal. That is, unless virtually all the casualties were incurred during the initial day or two, e.g. from nuke attack on major bases - in that case a 'gloves off' counterattack, nukes and all, should lead to the total destruction of the North with few added US losses. |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2006-10-16 08:06 |
| #6 May I add another false MSM meme I hear constantly repeated but never seriously challenged? The meme that only bilateral talks between the USA and the Norks will solve the problem. Mind you, this meme is trumpeted by the very same folk who, in another context, will be heard to claim the USA is always wrong for acting unilaterally. Nobody calls the so-called experts or editorial boards on this as near as I can tell. These a**holes are never made to explain why it is that bilateral talks between the USA and the Norks can succeed where multilateral talks amongst the neighbors are doomed to fail. I heard it again over this past weekend: What is (was) needed to avert a new arms race is bilateral talks exclusively between the USA and Norks ansd because the USA rejected one on one talks all has been lost and we're doomed so blame Bush. The same BS was heard when Germany, France, and the Brits tried to "negotiate" with the Iranians. You'd hear that the negotiations were doomed to failure because the USA (Bush) wouldn't play one on one with Iran. I'm just fed up hearing the BS meme that unless the USA negotiates one on one then therefore it's the fault of the USA if and when the rogue regimes acquire nukes. |
| Posted by: Mark Z 2006-10-16 07:46 |
| #5 It's easy to blame the top dog. Especially when you know the top dog won't bite you. At least you feel like you're getting something done even if it's not related to the real problem that NorK has been developing these weapons for the last umpteen years before the US could have even been called a remote concern for Kimmie's paranoid mind. |
| Posted by: gorb 2006-10-16 05:10 |
| #4 Today on cable tv some guy was saying that in the event of war with the NorKs, the US would win in about 30-90 days, it's inevitable but that we'd lose about 50,000 US lives fighting a ground war there. My response to that is: NorK isn't worth 50,000 US lives. If it comes down to it, I think the US should spare 50,000 US lives and instead lose a couple of million NorK lives by dropping a couple of nukes on Pyongyang. If NorK attacks they will have brought it on themselves. You get the leaders you allow/deserve and if your leader is Kim Jong Il and he decides to invade, then you put your life at peril of nuclear attack as far as i'm concerned. I don't mean tactical nukes either. I mean the full on fusion bomb. I believe the fusion bombs are even bigger and deadlier than the fission bombs. Good. Drop them if need be but don't waste US lives on a ground war there. |
| Posted by: anon1 2006-10-16 04:43 |
| #3 Media beasts are hereby warned. Welcome back, AC! |
| Posted by: twobyfour 2006-10-16 00:48 |
| #2 It's clear that it is perfectly safe to use the US as the global bogeyman. The various HR orgs figured it out long ago - criticize the US and stay in 4 or 5 star hotels. It's safe and the MSM will play along - no one will actually come to get you, much less stifle your screechery, and you can get on the A-List. Yep, We B Evil, alrighty. I can't help but wonder what the Korean War Era SKors think of their progeny - and the society that generated them. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-16 00:47 |
| #1 This is mine, forgot to change my name and renew the cookie. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2006-10-16 00:08 |