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| 2006-10-19 |
| by Rep. Tom Tancredo The first of three excerpts from “In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border and Security.” |
| Posted by:anonymous5089 |
| #39 Deaf, blind, and dumb. Or would you have preferred to live in the German concnetration camps insted of the US pulling your asses out of the fire twice in the 20th? Old Man, you're confusing yourself with The Greatest Generation. You are not The Greatest Generation. so for their sake, those we defend with our actions Why would you want to defend Eurabia? |
| Posted by: Unating Sleater5673 2006-10-19 13:08 |
| #38 Take a breather anon - keep your powder dry, clear your head, and enjoy the autumn. come back when you are ready. We need all the help we can get now and later. |
| Posted by: Oldspook 2006-10-19 21:43 |
| #37 Anon (et al, who feel like this from time to time, including me, a lurker) Let's all hang in there take a break when we must as bad as the news is it's rantburg we can trust or as a former supervisor used to say, "Smile now, it's going to get worse". |
| Posted by: Xenophon 2006-10-19 20:03 |
| #36 "Take a knee" anon, take a breather, but don't leave. Drive on!. |
| Posted by: Sgt. D.T. 2006-10-19 19:54 |
| #35 I didn't know Rodney King was a lurker. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2006-10-19 18:16 |
| #34 ROFL!!!!!! |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2006-10-19 18:07 |
| #33 Hi all, this is puzzling most of the western world, what is the big beef between sunni's and shia's, why do they kill each other when they are all Muslims ? Why do humans kill each other at all when there is no other place to live in the local galactic area, in other words, we all live on one planet, wake up you blithering idiots. Stop killing each other, stop killing period. Everbody, stop killing, simple. Just stop it. Concerned. |
| Posted by: Glack Cleasing4414 2006-10-19 18:04 |
| #32 Engine Companies Rule! |
| Posted by: Shipman 2006-10-19 17:37 |
| #31 I don't have the professional pedigree that many of the other Rantburgers have. I suspect we're about half and half, Rightwing. It's just that we're all so darn clever. ;-) I, myself, acquired my MRS at university along with a good many credits toward several useless but amusing degrees, and subsequently enough variety of job experiences to be a novelist, had I the bent and the endurance. And my dear, when you do choose to comment, I pay attention. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2006-10-19 17:22 |
| #30 Hey Anon, Be like me. I sit back and read and educate myself everyday. I don't have the professional pedigree that many of the other Rantburgers have. My life is spent rescuing and saving others as an engine company Lieutenant for a New England Fire Company. I read everyday but comment very little. Wise men listen well my friend. |
| Posted by: Rightwing 2006-10-19 17:04 |
| #29 anon - what more could I say that already hasn't been said? Please come back from time to time. The torch of liberty shall never go out on our watch... the brothers and sisters of Rantburg will make sure...ammo up, provision up and hunker down |
| Posted by: Warthog 2006-10-19 15:52 |
| #28 Me too, ditto, all of the above. |
| Posted by: J.D. Lux 2006-10-19 14:54 |
| #27 Zen writes: Whenever my heart becomes heavy, I read some more articles here and they fire up my indignation all over again. Interesting. Every time I come here I get enthused. I learn about issues, I pick up a witty (?) retort or two, and I realize that I'm not alone. In contrast, every time I visit one of the progressive blogs (I do it so you don't have to!) I come away depressed, irritable, and feeling like I've just been .. slimed. I tool around there and realize all the angry, kooky, mal-adjusted people are gunning for power so they can put me under their thumbs. That's depressing. Rantburg cheers me up; that's one reason why I'm happy to help shoulder the boulder. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2006-10-19 14:53 |
| #26 anon, I'll just second what trailing wife so capably expressed. All of us, from all walks of life, must help each other by providing the insight, reasoning and other perceptional tools needed to begin changing the way people around us think. You are right. There are some people who are content to watch our nation slide into the hands of those who would abandon it to communists or Islamic radicals. Just so long as they can still drive their SUVs and sip their lattes, they do not care where our nation is going. The same applies to our politicians. We have cut-and-run Democrats and money obsessed Republicans who refuse to secure our borders if it means choking off the supply of cheap labor or easy votes. All of these people need to be identified and tarred with the brush of un-Americanism. I thank goodness that Rantburg provided the logic and unspun information required to help me make a dent in those around me. To start eroding their complacency and force them to begin questioning what mainstream media pipes down their gullets with every evening's newscast. For that, Fred and all the moderators here at Rantburg have my eternal gratitude. So, hang in there, anon. Take a break if you need to, but don't give up the fight. Whenever my heart becomes heavy, I read some more articles here and they fire up my indignation all over again. Parts of me have taken a heavy toll. My humanity has taken a significant hit in that I no longer oppose deporting all Muslims from America and am beginning to support the notion of first use of nuclear weapons against our Islamic enemies. These have not been fun or enjoyable personal transitions to make, but they have cleared away a fog of unjustified compassion and unwarranted benefit of the doubt that are no longer deserved by those who seek to destroy us. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-19 14:36 |
| #25 [IDIOT DELETED] |
| Posted by: Unating Sleater5673 TROLL 2006-10-19 13:08 |
| #24 There are those who sound the alarm such as Churchill in WW II and there are those who are worse than ostriches who just want to ignore our problems in hopes that they will just go away. Trouble is already here; our problems will never go away without effort. Try imagining living a life without freedom and liberty--is appeasement worth it? A person or country does not want to go down the path of appeasement--one compromise after another is made until there is no freedom or liberty. Appeasement is a lazy man's approach to tyranny. Living under tyranny is worse than death. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2006-10-19 13:01 |
| #23 Una sounds like an American. So, a bitter DU agent trying to spy on the vast right wing (VRW). Anon, I know how you feel. Sometimes you reach the last word. the last word you need to hear before you take action. I get that, and I've been there, but now I am in waiting. Will everybody see things my way ? Or am I blind ? |
| Posted by: wxjames 2006-10-19 12:34 |
| #22 OK Una... If we follow that adivce, we'll eat popcorn watching London burn wit hthe Islamic Riots, and the mushroom cloud blooming over Manchester. Idiot. Its your sort that has sold out to willful ignorance, and your deaths will be no loss. But those of our allies and those who really understand freedom, its cost and its reqards and its responsabilities, those we woudl miss - so for their sake, those we defend with our actions. Or would you have preferred to live in the German concnetration camps insted of the US pulling your asses out of the fire twice in the 20th? |
| Posted by: Oldspook 2006-10-19 12:16 |
| #21 Heh - too much punctuation and decent syntax - but a Brit, I'll wager. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-19 12:06 |
| #20 Another nym for UK? |
| Posted by: SR-71 2006-10-19 12:05 |
| #19 Woohoo! Take a number, please. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-19 12:02 |
| #18 [IDIOT DELETED] |
| Posted by: Unating Sleater5673 TROLL 2006-10-19 11:59 |
| #17 Chile? |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2006-10-19 11:55 |
| #16 Another reason not to contemplate Argentina in the 70's - it was a complete failure. Look at where Argentina is now. What's the successful model of what's needed - Hadrian? |
| Posted by: Ulomble Snaling7256 2006-10-19 11:43 |
| #15 No one wants to contemplate Argentina in the '70s, but we may have to make a choice. If the Cultural Marxists and the Tranzis continue to accumulate power, we will likely be the ones in the concentration/re-education camps. |
| Posted by: SR-71 2006-10-19 11:36 |
| #14 I think most of the native Moonbats are beyond re-education. I lean toward wireheading. The Tranzis can swim to Eurabia. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-19 10:57 |
| #13 "Even if it means they get shipped off to be re-educated, or to serve in labor camps. The socialists and their fellow travelers must be made to pay for their evil." That's what I meant by, "right there is where my mind bogs down", because I think it's worth trying very, VERY hard to avoid coming to that conclusion; I don't want an America that looks like Argentina of the 1970's. I don't think any of us does. But if the political climate keeps evolving in the same direction it's been going lately, that is indeed where we're headed-- perhaps in as little as a decade. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2006-10-19 10:41 |
| #12 Over the last couple of months I've come to one conclusion that overshadows all others: that we have exactly zero chance of prevailing in the struggle to defend ourselves against totalitarian Islam-- or in defending ourselves against any other menace, for that matter-- so long as those "with ice in their veins" are allowed to continue undermining and negating our every effort. Zero chance. And this is exactly why I maintain that when the excrement hits the fan, before it is all over, we take that opportunity to cleanse idelogically this country of these people. Even if it means they get shipped off to be re-educated, or to serve in labor camps. The socialists and their fellow travelers must be made to pay for their evil. |
| Posted by: NoBeards 2006-10-19 10:03 |
| #11 Hello Anon! I am your sister-at-arms, anon1 (the first differentiated anon!!) Anyway, you do what is best for you, and what you think is right. I love Rantburg because it keeps alive freedom of speech in the face of the PC crackdown we are being pinned under in the West. I love it because we get to share stories we won't see in the mainstream media and interpret them in different ways, bounce ideas off each other and sometimes just blow off steam in a harmless way when we get really angry at what is going on in the world. I've been hanging around here for years now. Don't worry about going, just come back later when and if you feel like it! Rantburg will always be here (I hope very much as far as things can be permanent these days) |
| Posted by: anon1 2006-10-19 09:43 |
| #10 I haven't even read a5089's linked article, but can tell you anon (like all the others), you MUST stay. I used to be one of those "closet" conservatives, who just went about my daily life, taking advantage of this great (and one of the last few remaining, free) nation, without paying anything back. After 9/11, I woke up to the danger in our midst (I carpooled w/ 2 Muslims to work at the time, and looking back, I can see one of those 2 being-almost-willing to do the same thing). Then, one of my buddies sent me a link to Rantburg, and the rest it history. I used to surf all the conservative/libertarian websites (newsmax, worldnetdaily, boortz, hannity, malkin, etc.) each and every single day, but now I just check RB. You ALL have truly opened my eyes to the threat and real danger that awaits us both foreign (Islamo-fascists) and domestic (MSM and Donks). Yes, the Repubs have lost their way in many areas in my mind (especially against our domestic enemies), but again, I always think, what other (TRUE) option do we have against our Foreign enemies? Anon, I encourage you to take a break/sabbatical, and return when you feel right. I've done so in the past (more often, because I'm away on vacation and away from computers), and it is relaxing. But, I also long to come back each and every single time. I'd also like to specifically thank many here, including .com, TW, Dave D, lotp and, of course, Fred and the mods! You all have strengthened and encouraged me that there are still others out there (no matter what our social/political/even religious views) who do the right thing JUST BECAUSE it's the right thing to do. |
| Posted by: BA 2006-10-19 09:20 |
| #9 Everyone who shows up here and stays, whether an active poster or a quiet lurker, is a volunteer; we drafted ourselves by searching for the truth underneath the spin and propaganda. And however painful the light, eyes once opened cannot choose to stop seeing. We cover the range of religious and political beliefs here (atheists to literal Bible Christians, Jews, Muslims, and who knows what else; Democrats, Third Way-ers, homosexuals, parents, tea-totalers, libertarians, party animals, classic Conservative Republicans, neocons, all the branches of our Armed Forces, and correspondents from/in all over the world). But all unite in understanding that this is a war to the knife, and we all have to be involved in fighting it. Take a break if you must, anon. Enjoy your family, your work, watch a sunset. Then when you are ready, bring back your particular expertise and help us figure out what's going on. This, too, is a battlefront in the War on Islamofascism. We snark for our own amusement, but the analysis and the education are serious. .com, you flatter me by including me in the list -- you and they and those many others here taught me most of what I know. Except for the tea, that I learnt on my own. ;-) |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2006-10-19 08:35 |
| #8 Anon, chill out a little. Take in a pro-football game at the local stadium and come back next week. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2006-10-19 07:12 |
| #7 "You need to talk to lotp and Dave D and Fred and tw, and, and, and - they're all more clever and articulate and stuff. I'm just a slug, lol." Oh, bullshit. You're not a slug. You're a smartass, yes; but you're one of the most articulate smartasses we've got. Keep posting. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2006-10-19 07:10 |
| #6 "I'm going to stop reading rantburg." Good God... I can't even begin to imagine what it would take to make me stop reading Rantburg. I don't think I could do it. Even when the electricity goes out in a thunderstorm and life comes to a halt, I still go over to the computer every few minutes, stare at the blank screen and whimper, and click the mouse in desperate frustration because I can't read Rantburg. I don't always comment, and I've gone through periods-- like right now-- when I have very little to say; but I always read. These days it's the upcoming election that has me on pins and needles: our survival is at stake, Western civilization is in the all-time fight for its very life, and few seem to realize it or even care. They just go on, watching their sitcoms or their "reality" TV shows, oblivious. And when they think at all about what we face, it is only in the simple-minded, drivelistic libheaded terms drummed into their minds by the propagandists on CNNABCCBSNBCNYTetc. "I've read enough to realize that we are headed for a bloody war. Lots of nice, good people will die. People just like you and me." I hear you. And I concur. My suggestion: buy ammo. And practice a lot. "I blame those who pretend to care, but in reality are evil pretenders with ice in their veins. You know who I'm talking about. The people who choose not to see because it is inconvenient to do so." Over the last couple of months I've come to one conclusion that overshadows all others: that we have exactly zero chance of prevailing in the struggle to defend ourselves against totalitarian Islam-- or in defending ourselves against any other menace, for that matter-- so long as those "with ice in their veins" are allowed to continue undermining and negating our every effort. Zero chance. Why does the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan keep bombing, sniping, kidnapping and beheading? Because they think they will win, that's why. How do they expect to win? By wearing us down, that's how; like bin Laden said, keep bleeding the Americans and sooner or later they absolutely, positively WILL give up and go home, just like they did in Mogadishu, and Beirut, and Vietnam. And why would they think we will give up this time-- with so much more at stake now-- like we did before? For one overwhelming reason: because one of our political parties is promising to do just that: give up, and run home with our tails between our legs. That they call it "responsible redeployment" makes no difference; to the enemy it still means only one thing: Allahu Akhbar! This cannot continue. It simply cannot be allowed to continue, or it will be our ruin. It must be stopped. No matter what it takes to stop it. And frankly, right there is where my mind bogs down, on the "no matter what" part. And all I can do is shudder. Don't quit Rantburg, anon; I appreciate your comments, they're always worth reading. We've got to stick together here. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2006-10-19 07:08 |
| #5 Yes, I fear it will come because they are clearly insisting. And yes, it is an arrow to the heart to realize there are those who simply do not care, so long as they get theirs first. Anon, step away if you must for a while. The heart does grow heavy and sick. But please - come back when you can and stay with us. We truly do need to support one another. |
| Posted by: lotp 2006-10-19 06:33 |
| #4 :-) We are all in this together - and we need articulate and intelligent people, just like you, to explain, to cajole, to convince others. Many don't get it and many can be won over. You're being drafted, lol, but perhaps you'll volunteer - like we used to in the Army just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, lol. You need to talk to lotp and Dave D and Fred and tw, and, and, and - they're all more clever and articulate and stuff. I'm just a slug, lol. But I meant what I said - the fact that you feel it is precisely why you should stay. Doncha just love circular logic that can't stand close examination? Lol. You are so right - I think it will take an army that gets it, and arrived there independently - for us to defend this last true bastion of freedom. It will come. They insist. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-19 04:41 |
| #3 thanks .com. I'm coming up short on words to credit you for your arrow to the heart assessment on what is happening. In the end, it is people like you and others here on rantburg that will stand against the tide. You will do it because it is right. You won't look away because you have the strength and courage not to. Thanks again for your support - we are all going to need as much as we can get! |
| Posted by: anon 2006-10-19 04:06 |
| #2 Understood - and agree with the effect this has on the psyche. I, and I'm sure everyone else here, would like to talk you out of leaving. I can offer a good concrete reason to stay: to harden yourself, to build up the emotional callouses you'll need when it comes to our shores, again, to your neighborhood. Everyone you care about will need you: tough, knowledgeable, committed, and determined - in that strength you can protect them. I've truly enjoyed reading your posts, too. So I'm selfish and don't want you to leave for that reason, heh. Plz reconsider. Maybe take an occasional sabbatical - many here do, but come back when you've caught your breath. Okay, I'll shut up, now. Regards. :-) |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-19 03:53 |
| #1 I'm going to stop reading rantburg. I've read enough to realize that we are headed for a bloody war. Lots of nice, good people will die. People just like you and me. I suppose it's not worth blaming anyone. But I will do so anyway. I blame those who are too cowardly to face the threat and do the heavy lifting necessary now to prevent the coming disaster. I blame those who pretend to care, but in reality are evil pretenders with ice in their veins. You know who I'm talking about. The people who choose not to see because it is inconvenient to do so. Many people just aren't paying attention and the media leads them astray. I don't blame them. But there are those who are paying attention and choose to look away. They disgust me. These are the same people who looked away from Hitler, from Stalin, from Castro, from Chavez and now look away from Kim and Ahmadinejad Why? it's not because they are wise or stupid, but because they are cold. It is simply inconvient for their world view and so they choose to look away. These people do not walk around with black hats. They do not drool. They smile, are charming and well meaning. But their hearts are cold. In the end, it is only themselves that they care about. As long as the alligator is not looking at them, the are content to enjoy their cocktail, their dinner and insist that the alligator is not so bad. Bleah. |
| Posted by: anon 2006-10-19 03:42 |