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| Cheney's Remarks Fuel Torture Debate: Okay To Dunk Terrorists |
| 2006-10-27 |
| Vice President Cheney said this week that dunking terrorism suspects in water during questioning was a "no-brainer," prompting complaints from human rights advocates that he was endorsing the use of a controversial technique known as waterboarding on prisoners held by the United States. In an interview Tuesday with Scott Hennen, a conservative radio show host from Fargo, N.D., Cheney agreed with Hennen's assertion that "a dunk in water" may yield valuable intelligence from terrorism suspects. He also referred to information gleaned from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the captured architect of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but stopped short of explicitly saying what techniques were used. "Would you agree a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?" Hennen asked. "Well, it's a no-brainer for me," Cheney said, "but for a while there, I was criticized as being the vice president for torture. We don't torture. That's not what we're involved in." The comments underscore continuing uncertainty over precisely which techniques can be used legally during CIA interrogations of terrorism suspects. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and other lawmakers have said recent legislation that established ground rules for interrogations should effectively bar waterboarding and other methods that are viewed as violations of the Geneva Conventions and U.S. criminal law. |
| Posted by:Captain America |
| #30 Cheney's America. Who would have believed it would be so admired, so respected, so defended. Inviting one's own demise never seemed so unreflectively courted. What a fine bunch of torture advocates you've turned out to be! America, America, so quickly it declined. So suddenly. So tragically. As if it lost its mind. |
| Posted by: Sneagum Cloger4187 2006-10-27 12:49 |
| #29 "Meanwhile, the torture continues." If it's undefined, then your statement is bullshit. Unless you're part of the process, i.e. an interrogator, then you don't know what is and isn't done, so you statement is bullshit. Troll off, dood. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-27 23:59 |
| #28 Not torturing is also a no brainer. Especially for those unconcerned about their survival against Islam. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-27 23:55 |
| #27 The thing is whenever Cheney speaks, we ought to listen and carefully. The Vice President means what he says. Torturing is a no brainer. He also says, "We don't torture." Not torturing is also a no brainer. Well done. All we need do now is debate the meaning of torture, have different views on its legal definition (for isn't that all you are interested in?), and then claim that either this or that is or is not torture. Meanwhile, the torture continues. |
| Posted by: Thermos 2006-10-27 23:52 |
| #26 she always did it for me |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-10-27 22:38 |
| #25 The only Wood that doesn't float. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-27 22:16 |
| #24 Dresden - that didn't help Natalie did it? |
| Posted by: Robert Wagner 2006-10-27 22:00 |
| #23 But if they float, they're witches and you have to burn 'em. Posted by mojo 2006-10-27 01:44|| Front Page|| ||Comments Top YES! And remember your Monty Python! They float because they are made of ... wood! |
| Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-10-27 21:35 |
| #22 It sounds like all we are doing is making them uncomfortable. Id say they got it pretty good when all they seem to be trying to do is make us dead. |
| Posted by: bool 2006-10-27 17:54 |
| #21 Ok then lets not waterboard - lets baptise - by fire - instead. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2006-10-27 17:44 |
| #20 This waterboarding reminds me of my baptism. Say, I was tortured and didn't realize it!! |
| Posted by: Captain America 2006-10-27 17:10 |
| #19 The EEvvil Cheney must be using the pool in his vp estate to dunk terrorists, when not using them for clay pigeons (he-he). I hear he has a Binny doll in his office that he sticks pins into when not waterboarding. /sarcism} |
| Posted by: Captain America 2006-10-27 17:10 |
| #18 Y'all missed the usual corker: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and other lawmakers have said recent legislation that established ground rules for interrogations should effectively bar waterboarding and other methods that are viewed as violations of the Geneva Conventions and U.S. criminal law. When will these bleeding hearts get it through their skulls that the Geneva Conventions are just that, rules that apply to conventional warfare, not terrorism. When the terrorists start wearing uniforms and stop hiding in civilian populations they can begin to squawk about their rights. Until then, they have none. Just as these maggots expect us to forfeit our lives because they want to attack us whenever they feel like it, their own rights to even a semblance of humane treatment stops the moment they adopt radical jihad. Ironically, extremely violent antagonists are usually shot on sight. The incredibly vicious nature of terrorism demands that we apprehend its practicioners and extract all possible information in order to preserve human life that is constantly placed at risk by these fanatical monsters. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-27 13:55 |
| #17 We're not the ones 'inviting our own demise', Mr. Troll. You Dems have been actively working for the nation's demise for some time although you are blissfully unaware of that. The America that you would create bears absolutely NO resemblance to the one that made us a superpower, and the last best hope for the freedom and liberty of man on earth. I for one will not stand idly by and watch you destroy the nation that patriots and soldiers died to defend and preserve. I will fight you in the arena of ideas. I will fight you in the media. And if necessary, my powder is dry and we can fight in a more serious venue. |
| Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-10-27 13:21 |
| #16 Yeah, I'm tortured every time I go to the diner. Oh, to be 20 again. |
| Posted by: wxjames 2006-10-27 11:20 |
| #15 She relented when I turned 12. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-27 10:45 |
| #14 I hope not with the dreaded |
| Posted by: ed 2006-10-27 10:44 |
| #13 I was tortured once, when I was just 11 years old. |
| Posted by: Perfesser 2006-10-27 09:33 |
| #12 Initially, thought this said "donk terrorists." Oh no not that--I can't stand listening to endless blather. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2006-10-27 08:34 |
| #11 No, no -- just remind them that shaking hands with an annoyed female Marine will make their penises shrink... possibly even fall off. Then send her in to observe the questioning. ;-) |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2006-10-27 08:31 |
| #10 What ed said. Plus, I want to get down to brass tacks on if we can attach the car battery to the testicles or nipples. Seriously, what a joke, to even wring our hands over this means to me we are not truly committed (Rantburg excluded of course) to destroying islamic terrorism. |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2006-10-27 08:28 |
| #9 I want a national debate on whether we should use deli meat slicers on them at thickness settings of 1 or 2. |
| Posted by: ed 2006-10-27 07:38 |
| #8 Yeah, that's fine, but whatever you do, you can NEVER, I do mean NEVER, give them a wedgie! |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2006-10-27 06:56 |
| #7 If you're absolutely sure they're not innocent civilians(TM), I say they forfeited their "human rights" if for no other reason than they are uncivilized but at the same time taking advantage of the benefits of living in a civilized society. You can't have it both ways. |
| Posted by: gorb 2006-10-27 04:08 |
| #6 In my recollection, the "Waterboard" involves using a board setup to pass a couple of inches of water over a completely immobilized target's mouth. There is no real threat of drowning, because the flow can be cut off at any time and said target's vitals are monitored. The terrorist gets both the sensation of being drowned and the feeling of helplessness. The applier (I can't use the word "torturer" for what happens here) threatens repeated application. They probably don't threaten drowning. The liberty v security paramountcy balance is best determined on the side of security, in context of a terror war. I advocate listening to both sides on these issues. I invoke liberty in the case of gun ownership, because civil police cannot deliver 100% protection; I support state security interests in suppressing all jihad advocacy by Muslims. |
| Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550 2006-10-27 03:36 |
| #5 Ever been to a carnival or county fair with a "dunkin' booth? Usually consists of a seat placed over an outdoor, mobile (easy to move) pool. Generally, a local political, or some one of local fame, sits on the seat over the pool. Folks pay money to throw a baseball at a point, that if hit, "dunks" the local celebrity into the water! All folks around, clap and laugh and it's just so funny! Yet, we can't "dunk" terrorist -- like the one who planned 9-11? And I would really, really like to know, what percentage of Americans know that KSM was the mind behind what happened to us on 9-11? I would think the percentage extremely low. But, by our local carnivals and county fairs standards, "dunkin'" is an acceptable form of fun. So, maybe our guys just had a good ole game of "American baseball," dunkin' the guy! And I'll willing to bet, Cheney knows about county fairs and "dunkin' booths." |
| Posted by: Sherry 2006-10-27 01:56 |
| #4 But if they float, they're witches and you have to burn 'em. |
| Posted by: mojo 2006-10-27 01:44 |
| #3 Aussie AAP.com > Muslim Sheik refuses to leave until WORLD IS CLEANSED OF WHITE HOUSE. Move along, boyz, obviously NO WAR FOR GLOBAL CONTROL = CONTROL OF THE WORLD, + DESTABILIZATION-DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA here. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2006-10-27 01:35 |
| #2 I believe a "dunk" could also be construed as tying a rope around the legs then being towed for several miles behind a fast boat. If the "dunkee" survives, he'll probably sing like a birdee. If he doesn't survive...oh well. |
| Posted by: SpecOp35 2006-10-27 00:55 |
#1 Mods, help!, I slopped this one
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| Posted by: Captain America 2006-10-27 00:34 |