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UK Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values
2006-11-05
A leading church group which represents more than a million Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent revolution" to protect religious freedoms.

In a startling warning to the Government, senior church and political figures have backed a report advocating force to protest against policies that are "unbiblical" and "inimical to the Christian faith".

The menacing language of the report, which Lord Mawhinney, the Tory peer, Andy Reed, the Labour MP, and the Rt Rev Peter Forster, the Bishop of Chester, helped to produce, echoes comments made by Muslim fanatics.

Only days ago, Islamic activist Anjem Choudary said Muslims had become radicalised because they were "a community under siege".

Posted by:lotp

#33  Unasing 8609,

Sorry I tweaked you a bit. I'm sure you and your buddies could hold your own in a street brawl, especially when well tanked. Yes, we've heard of your alcoholic prowess. But I think you gave yourself away with the comment that being armed was "outdated". Really ? Do you think Muzzies will join you in a fair fight ? Never. They will sneak up on you when you're sleeping and slit your throat. It won't be one. They will come in packs.(Paks in packs) At that point, a nice weapon becomes handy. A shotgun for instance. Can you still own shotguns for sport hunting ? Also, at the rate you Brits are letting them acquire mosques, they probably have plenty of arms smuggled in. This is standard tactics for them. If they came at you with an AK-47 I doubt you'd still be spoiling for a street fight. So, if some among you are becoming aware that violence inside your cities is becoming very likely, do not belittle them. They are thinking, not just drinking. It's quite true that some of us here in US are "cowboys", but we do still retain the ability to defend our neighborhoods in force. We learned long ago that depending on civil authorities for protection is laughable. So we're still rude and crude, but we'll be here when the smoke clears.
Posted by: SpecOp35   2006-11-05 22:51  

#32  Actually I do, James.
Charles II presided over the Restoration and lived out his reign without losing his head. Thanks for the correction.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2006-11-05 21:03  

#31  Atomic, do you mean Charles I?
Posted by: James   2006-11-05 20:39  

#30  There are still plenty of yew trees in the UK, and I'm sure the British use of the longbow could be quietly revived (maybe in "re-enactment groups". Nice thing about a longbow - it's deadly quiet if you add a little something to the strings near the ends. The same is true of crossbows. You don't necessarily have to use modern weapons to achieve the desired results. A big stone is still a deadly weapon in the right hands. Train to be a warrior, and the weapons will be there.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2006-11-05 20:20  

#29  The Islamo-fascists and their allies cannot even imagine the consequences if they drive events to such an outcome.

It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of when. The only thing that can avert this trainwreck is a top-to-bottom revision of Islam, and we all know how likely that is.

Unreformed Islam will "drive events to such an outcome". It is only a matter of when it happens. The sooner our Muslim foes are read the riot act (i.e., nuclear retaliation for future atrocities), the sooner we can get about jailing or deporting jihadists. I have zero doubt that the MME (Muslim Middle East) will be consumed in a nuclear inferno. The notion does not give me any joy save in the fact that future generations will be safe from the ravages of Islam. Cold comfort, but comfort nonetheless.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-11-05 18:37  

#28  Anything resembling a Christian revolution in the UK would require the removal, one way or another, of that Arabist fruitcake, Charley of the Big Ears

And lots of other Oxbridge Arabists who inhabit the British establishment at places like the BBC. Some think that a feature not a bug.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-11-05 18:21  

#27  Anything resembling a Christian revolution in the UK would require the removal, one way or another, of that Arabist fruitcake, Charley of the Big Ears (or is that "Charley of the Guilty Manroot?").

I don't believe in psychic power but I remember some kind of shaman/prophet predicting many years ago that Charley might well repeat the fate of his namesake predecessor, Charles II.
Odd, isn't it?
Perhaps he can be exiled to Somalia or somewhere similar.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2006-11-05 18:09  

#26  Yet. It's coming.
Posted by: mac   2006-11-05 17:52  

#25  So, it has come to this. Just a few years ago, it would have been inconceivable that a mainstream Christian group would even hint at a resort to violence. As I have said before, though, the Crusader's mailed fist can still emerge from the velvet glove of multiculturalism. The Islamo-fascists and their allies cannot even imagine the consequences if they drive events to such an outcome.

Incidentally, there are plenty of people in the UK who can make weapons and ammunition from scratch if they are so minded. It is unwise for anyone, especially including Muslims and their sycophants, to dismiss this possibility just because it hasn't happened.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2006-11-05 17:32  

#24  Never forget that it is now easier to buy a handgun on the streets of London that it has been in 100 years - the dope gangs are bringing in guns along with dope. Also, the British Mafia has certain rules and does not tend to use firearms where the British Police are concerned. However, the same does not hold true for intermural rivalries in the underworld. And the one faction of the IRA may just step into this on the side of the Christians, although most of the IRA will side with the Muslims since that is who gave the IRA training camps in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by: Shieldwolf   2006-11-05 16:38  

#23  "If they have the will they will find the way. If they are truly serious they can find the firearms or someone will help arm them."

Unless the Muslims suddenly acquire themselves a kriegsmarine, we oughtta easily be able to ship the Brits all the guns they need once they find the will to use them. We did it before, we can do it again.

"Are you fully armed ? I didn't think so. How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?"

Let's see... I could respond with any one of my four rifles, and/or any one of my four handguns; and a small fraction of the 9,700+ rounds of ammunition I have on hand should suffice.

Good enough?

Posted by: Dave D.   2006-11-05 14:01  

#22  I suspect the Brits will find quite a few waepons and other methods for the upcoming festivities. As long as fuel isn't rationed or purchses monitored, and with the 'Brutal English Winter' coming on, there may be an unexplained rash of house fires. Just sayin, is all.....
Posted by: USN,Ret   2006-11-05 12:49  

#21  If Muslims drank in pubs they would be beaten up every night.If you tour any UK city at the weekends you will see alot more violence than i ever seen in USA ie Washington,Florida and Boston that i have visited!We party/drink more every weekend than you guys do all year bar Superbowl night!!!!!!
Posted by: Slinetle Unasing8609   2006-11-05 12:25  

#20  You Americans make me laugh with your outdated comments ie
Civil unrest will be required. Are you fully armed ? I didn't think so. How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?

There is plenty of bulldog spirit left in this country it is only suppressed by a PC Government and police force.Dont forget pakis only make up 5% of population!!!!!!
Posted by: Slinetle Unasing8609   2006-11-05 12:17  

#19  I'm pleasantly surprised this statement was made by native Britons. It's 30 years late in getting off the PC bandwagon and defending western civ. Let's hope this group keeps pounding the message home and this is the start of a snowball effect. Too bad this evangelical group is outnumbered by the muslims 1.2M - 1.8M.
Posted by: ed   2006-11-05 11:45  

#18  If they have the will they will find the way. If they are truly serious they can find the firearms or someone will help arm them.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-11-05 11:35  

#17   "How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves?"

And that says it all.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412   2006-11-05 11:12  

#16  They are already at war and don't know it. For that matter so are we. The reason liberals don't get it is because they hate Christianity more than they fear pIslam. Dhimmis surrendering in mass.

Money quote of the day. “Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement of Muslims and new demands will continue to be made”
said Nazir-Ali.

Posted by: Icerigger   2006-11-05 10:26  

#15  Actually, there is a quiet revival of Christianity going on in some places in Europe. Not surprisingly, it is being led by African and Asian converts who are re-evangelizing and revitalizing faith. The numbers are small, but are growing -- and the Left hates them with a passion.

Ayep. A few years ago, the French were so upset by the idea they passed a law supposedly targeting "cults". While Scientology was named as one of the "cults", so were the Southern Baptists.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2006-11-05 09:01  

#14  Eurppeans with balls and brains left long ago for America and the will to fight died a couple of world wars ago. Save for a handful of soccer hooligans no one's gonna fight back. It's over, turn off the lights and welcome Allah's new Dark Ages.
Posted by: regular joe   2006-11-05 08:55  

#13  SpecOp -
Don't ever forget that after the Nazis were defeated and we found their plans for an Occupied Great Britain, we found they were prepared to unleash horrors worse than anything on the Eastern Front - because they knew the British would never give in. The UK's political ruling classes are about to find out that the spirit of of the Battle of Britain never died...it but slept.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2006-11-05 08:54  

#12  Onward Christian soldiers......
Posted by: RJB in JC MO   2006-11-05 08:54  

#11  Not many Christians with religious values left in Europe to protect.

Actually, there is a quiet revival of Christianity going on in some places in Europe. Not surprisingly, it is being led by African and Asian converts who are re-evangelizing and revitalizing faith. The numbers are small, but are growing -- and the Left hates them with a passion.
Posted by: lotp   2006-11-05 08:10  

#10  Not many Christians with religious values left in Europe to protect. Mostly secular dhimmis who will just pay the Muslim 'protection' tax - what's the term? - so they can live out their lives. Not only do they not have the means to use force to protect their values, they lack values to protect and the will to do so.
Posted by: Glenmore   2006-11-05 08:05  

#9  Well, siege is better than concentration camps.
Posted by: Perfesser   2006-11-05 06:48  

#8   How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?

Truly, SpecOp35, in certain situations a sharpened teaspoon will suffice. ;-) Besides, you really, really don't want me to use some of your toys -- much more dangerous for our side, I assure you.
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-11-05 06:37  

#7  Welcome to 1683.

I think you need more pieces of flair.
Posted by: closedanger@hotmail.com   2006-11-05 06:31  

#6  and so it begins.
Posted by: anon   2006-11-05 05:33  

#5  Yes. Disproportionate one
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-11-05 04:57  

#4  Interesting. All that's needed is a Kyoto caused recession and things will start to really heat up.
Posted by: phil_b   2006-11-05 04:21  

#3  Anjem Choudary, who helped organise the anti-Danish cartoon protests, last week said that the London bombings should not have come as a surprise. "How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves?" he said. "We are a community under siege. It's going to blow up one day in everyone's faces."

Why is this asshole still consuming someone else's precious oxygen? The Christians may need to consider beginning their campaign of violence by offing local Muslim jihadists. It's a tossup as to whether they or the British Government are the biggest threat to Christian Britons.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-11-05 02:40  

#2  Civil unrest will be required. Are you fully armed ? I didn't think so. How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?
Posted by: SpecOp35   2006-11-05 01:41  

#1  And so it begins.
Posted by: 3dc   2006-11-05 01:11  

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