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Iraq
Amnesty condemns Saddam trial, death sentences
2006-11-05
Right on schedule.

There is a deep moral flaw in the left's focus on process to the exclusion of substance. We see it here when the ACLU uses every procedural criticism they can but takes no responsibility for the resulting social impact of their legal maneuvers.

Saddam's trial wasn't perfect, but it was an incredible achievement for that country. Any procedural flaws pale in the face of the horrific acts for which he is responsible.

Posted by:lotp

#13  Naw, Frank, you have a LOT more credibility than AI in my mind, buddy.
Posted by: BA   2006-11-05 22:33  

#12  
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2006-11-05 17:16  

#11  Of course they do. That way they don't have to take responsibility for the choices they make and their consequences.
Posted by: lotp   2006-11-05 15:54  

#10  AI evidently prefers a more civilized procedure like the one Milosevic had at the Hague. That way, the defendant can die of old age before they hang him.
Posted by: Baba Tutu   2006-11-05 15:53  

#9  I condemn AI and HRW for human rights violations. Same credibility, no?
Posted by: Frank G   2006-11-05 15:43  

#8  Amnesty condemns Saddam trial, death sentences

That's OK. I condemn AI.

The last thing a fish discovers is water. The last thing AI will discover is the piss that is their own ineptitude that they swim in. I'd like to see the how their vision of a fair trial would be played out. I'd like to see what they think are fair ground rules. Ptui! Good thing they aren't put in charge of this kind of thing or they'd still be arguing today! They can criticize every step, but they could not do the whole process themselves. They only seem to worry about petty little things when what they need to do is worry about the process as a whole. This was a dictator, not a civilian. If he goes free because of some technicality like his Miranda Rights or some such crap, that would be a greater crime against humanity than the crime against Sammy's "human rights". Which he forfeited as soon as he seized power the way he did. Every move AI suggests would almost invariably leave more destruction in its wake than progress. But they don't understand that. Piss on them until they figure it out. Which will never happen.
Posted by: gorb   2006-11-05 14:22  

#7  When the Baathists overthrew the Iraqi monarchy in 1958, they tore the young king and crown prince to pieces, hung the mutilated remains from a balcony, and capered around like demons in celebration.
Prominent leftists like Lynn Stewart, Ramsey Clark, and Ted Turner all support these human rights organizations, yet they refuse to criticize "revolutionary" regimes as though it were a moral principle.
Leftists are fond of saying that everything is relative, but the very concept of proportionality is thrown aside when one of their own is under attack.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2006-11-05 11:16  

#6  But Saddam's feeding of his own people to industreal shreadders - without even the hint of a trial - is perfectly ok to AI's eyes.

Nah. Every few years, they'd issue a condemnation of that. Of course, they also condemn the US for trying to put an end to it.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2006-11-05 10:15  

#5  But Saddam's feeding of his own people to industreal shreadders - without even the hint of a trial - is perfectly ok to AI's eyes.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-11-05 09:59  

#4  My 2 cents.

ShouldÂ’a thrown grenades down the spider hole so the dork couldÂ’ve joined his sons that day.
It would have generated a two to three week spike in violence in the Saddam Baathist area, but in the long run would have save a lot more people by pushing the trouble makers out into the front line immediately. It would have also created a power vacuum which would have permitted the Coalition Forces to far more easily identify those vying to take the throne and eliminate the waanabes. As theyÂ’re fighting among themselves, theyÂ’d be killing their own clan civilians rather than instigating and killing other clans and tribes as they have done since.
Posted by: Procopius2K   2006-11-05 09:41  

#3  My son spent most of 2004 guarding detainees at the detention facility at Camp Bucca near Umm Qasr, Iraq. He came back from that experience with a deep (and probably lifelong) loathing of:

* Amnesty International
* International Committee of the Red Cross
* Human Rights Watch
* The U.N.
* The Democratic Party
* Journalists
* Islam

He didn't hate them when he started his tour, but he sure as hell hates them now.

Posted by: Dave D.   2006-11-05 09:35  

#2  Amnesty condemns Saddam trial, death sentences

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Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-11-05 09:09  

#1  Hang them fast and hang them often.
Posted by: closedanger@hotmail.com   2006-11-05 08:54  

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