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2007-01-18 | ||||||
Labour will have to admit that serious errors have been made over the war in Iraq if it is to restore public trust in the government, a growing number of ministers believe. The acknowledgment may come when the chancellor, Gordon Brown, takes over in Downing Street, possibly by launching an inquiry into the conduct of the war - a move that has been resisted by Tony Blair. The impetus for Labour to show contrition has come from admissions by four ministers, who have gone on the record to concede that a string of errors was made in Iraq. Hilary Benn, the international development secretary, told the Fabian Society: "The current situation in Iraq is absolutely grim, so let us be clear about that truth. Look, the intelligence was wrong, the de-Ba'athification went too far, the disbanding of the army was wrong and, of course, we should have the humility to acknowledge those things, and to learn. I am not insensitive to the huge well of bitterness and anger from lots of people in the party."
"I think the biggest mistake is that you always need to learn the importance of moral legitimacy and international support. Going back and looking at what happened, if we and the Americans had realised that the Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction as an imminent threat, we would have had more time to get a second UN resolution we were trying to get. If we had gone into Iraq with international support, the situation would have been much much easier.
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Posted by:Steve White |
#37 Depends on which part of Virginia you're talking about, #36 BA. I don't drink tea myself, sweet or otherwise, but the first thing a friend's daughter said when she moved back to Richmond was at last she could get sweet tea - unlike in Connecticut. #33 Eric - when you start talking politicians, all bets for sanity are off in every state. I did hear on the news this evening that his office had said they were getting calls & e-mails about his statement, with them running 20 to 1 in his favor (which I'm pretty sure is about the slavery part, not the Jews part - though who knows?). I'd like an apology for slavery, too - from the Africans and Arabs. I'd like for them to apologize not only for the historic slave traffic that they were suppliers for (which ended in this country in 1865, in case no one has noticed), but for the present-day slavery they engage in. You'll notice I'm not holding my breath. |
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2007-01-18 23:06 |
#36 PS - MacNails et al. - y'all don't have to have sugar in your tea. And you don't have to drink it cold, either. ;-p Jeebus, Barbara. In my neck of the woods, 'dem are fytin' wordz! Seriously, our British cousins would LOVE sweet tea. And, we've got some good dentists, if'n your teeth start rotting out! Serious college story (from my Alma Mater, Auburn University in Auburn, AL)....some friends of mine had a HUGE U.S. map up on their apartment wall. We literally re-drew the Mason-Dixon line based upon our college travels (SEC football can take you on some LONG trips) and what they served at the local restaurants. Unfortunately (at least in my experience), Virginia is no longer the "South" if you base it on sweet tea, lol! |
Posted by: BA 2007-01-18 22:13 |
#35 No, New Hampshire. If we hear voices in the night, we fling open the windows and start shooting. |
Posted by: KBK 2007-01-18 22:02 |
#34 Concur on San Diego - Stennis ported at 11:30AM today (from my office window). Due to the fence, we have less illegals than other portions of the border. Don't be fooled by Texas's siren calls! |
Posted by: Frank G 2007-01-18 21:29 |
#33 Barbara, Unfortunately, Virginia has a high proportion of loonies in its legislature. You know about Delegate Frank D. Hargrave (R-Glen Allen), for example?
We're all angry at my synagogue. As Lawrence Simon once blogcasted, "Yes, we did. And you're next." |
Posted by: Eric Jablow 2007-01-18 20:55 |
#32 fried catfish, cornbread, coleslaw, and a mason jar filled with sweetened tea Let's eat! |
Posted by: badanov 2007-01-18 20:44 |
#31 Maybe if we had grits/okra cookies, they wouldn't get eaten so much? |
Posted by: Jackal 2007-01-18 20:42 |
#30 Your fault, Deacon Blue. That's what happens when they're so delicious. ;-) |
Posted by: trailing wife 2007-01-18 19:59 |
#29 The previous was me. somebody ate my cookie. |
Posted by: Deacon Blues 2007-01-18 19:50 |
#28 In the mountains of East Tennessee I can go outside and not hear anything but the birds, insects, hawks, and wind. mrp, I was thinking more along the lines of a Mason jar filled with corn squeezins. Sgt. Mom, I can cook you a meal with grits that you will enjoy. |
Posted by: Chetch Hupong1935 2007-01-18 19:49 |
#27 PS - MacNails et al. - y'all don't have to have sugar in your tea. And you don't have to drink it cold, either. ;-p |
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2007-01-18 19:30 |
#26 fried catfish, cornbread, coleslaw, and a mason jar filled with sweetened tea. |
Posted by: mrp 2007-01-18 19:19 |
#25 Aaaaw shucks , im gonna go bed and sleep well tonite :) |
Posted by: MacNails 2007-01-18 19:14 |
#24 Now, now, people - let's not fight. Our British Rantburgers should come to Virginia. Beaches, ocean, lots of hunting and fishing, plenty of unspoiled rural areas, never too far from a metropolitan area. Not as hot in summer as Florida and Texas, nor as cold in winter as Alaska. And y'all will understand us, too. Virginia-speak is just like English-speak, slowed waaaay down. ;-p Y'all come! |
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2007-01-18 19:00 |
#23 (****muffled voice from offstage****) No-o-o-o-o! Not the grits! Anything but grits, like cream of wheat but without the delicious flavor! And for the love of god, don't tell them about sausage gravy! That horrid stuff!!!It looks like vomit, I tell you! It does! Like vom.....(***mfmf....***) |
Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2007-01-18 18:52 |
#22 Gotta wonder if our English cousins could ever fall in love with fried catfish, though. Or, shrimp and grits! |
Posted by: BA 2007-01-18 17:58 |
#21 Labour will have to admit that serious errors have been made over the war in Iraq Yes...you must admit your errors, Comrade. And remember, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Down with Goldstein. Mike |
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2007-01-18 16:46 |
#20 Now Ima love Texas, but MacNails sounds like a serious fisherPerson, Texas stocktanks really can't compete with real lakes and does Texas allow bear hunting? |
Posted by: Shipman 2007-01-18 16:31 |
#19 (****despairing wail from offstage****) Yeah, but what about the cost of living in S-D!!!! The cost of liv.....! (****muffled by something placed over mouth*****) |
Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2007-01-18 15:26 |
#18 I'd like to mention San Diego which has wonderful beaches, breakfast burritos, no humidity to mention, a couple of hours from Vegas and the occasional carrier or two in port for those impressed by that sort of thing. |
Posted by: rjschwarz 2007-01-18 15:11 |
#17 MacNails, Howard, Bulldog (where are ya, bro?) Come on over here. We will treat you well. Live in Texas, but come up to Alaska during the summer. Great fishing, scenery, and free rides on mosquitos in certain places. We'll show you a good time. |
Posted by: Alaska Paul 2007-01-18 14:27 |
#16 ***sigh*** It was the fault of those hippy types who collected exotic pets... all those arty types who got into spinning and weaving and all. They got little flocks of kashmir goats, and then had to figure out what to do with the milk. Seriously, though, it's good stuff. The local HEB grocery chain carries several local brands, and its' good! HEB--- another reason to live in Texas; an excellent local chain grocery. Oh, yes, Lady Bird was seriously into wildflowers: the highway verges have been seeded for years, but practically anywhere you go from March to about late May, there will be meadows of every kind of wildflower you can imagine: Bluebonnets, Mexican Hat, primroses... Hey! (**** looking around ****) I know it's waaaaay off-topic, but I'm supposed to be the Minister of Tourism, and this is an opening, 'kay? McNails and Bright, and Howard might be keen to come and see.... ACK! (****exit, stage left, dragged by mod with shepards' crook****) |
Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2007-01-18 14:03 |
#15 and we even have locally made goat cheese. Bad, bad, bad. In a few years Texas will be teeming with militants. |
Posted by: JFM 2007-01-18 13:13 |
#14 Serious fields of wildflowers, from the pictures I've seen. President Johnson's wife was into wildflowers, I believe, and she started a foundation after he retired, the model for wildflower societies around the country. |
Posted by: trailing wife 2007-01-18 13:02 |
#13 Uh oh, TX vs. FL brawl on aisle 11. All our cousins across the pond, I'd consider Texas over Florida. A LOT less crowded, you do have beaches (but they're nowhere as gorgeous as Florida's), and mostly, stay out of the way of hurricanes (except for Rita recently). Tons of IT there (heard of Dell, Texas Instruments, etc?). And, it just impresses me when you cross the State border (from Louisiana) that the Interstate sign says "El Paso, 850-something miles" (goes to show you how big TX is). The heat can be a bear though. Me personally? I'm headin' to L.A. (Lower Alabama) when I retire. Low cost of living, low taxes, and close enough to those FL. panhandle beaches to visit anytime, but far enough away to miss the hurricanes, lol! |
Posted by: BA 2007-01-18 11:55 |
#12 And don't forget to mention frequent hurricanes, just to add to the authentic Florida atmosphere, Ship. The Hill Country is becoming the new Provence: thriving wine industry at the point where Californias' was twenty years ago. Also fields of lavender and other herbs and wildflowers, a handful of enthusiasts have started olive groves; and we even have locally made goat cheese. Cal Florida offer that? All we need is a couple of wealthy eccentrics to build some hilltop castles or rambling mansions, and we'd have it all. |
Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2007-01-18 11:14 |
#11 MacNails, don't listen to 'em. If it's fly fishing, you want the Florida Keys - and a fight with the gray ghost of the flats. |
Posted by: Shipman 2007-01-18 10:58 |
#10 Sgt Mom , Minister of Tourism , and doing an excellent job ! |
Posted by: MacNails 2007-01-18 10:41 |
#9 Yeah, we have beaches, a whole Gulf Coast worth of beaches... and an IT industry, and bright stars and fly-fishing, a forbearing constabulary... and best of all, the veritable food of the Gods: The Breakfast Taco! |
Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2007-01-18 10:39 |
#8 Yes, Texas has beaches and a solid IT Industry around the cities. Also, Bright, there is something there for you ... The stars at night, are big and BRIGHT, deep in the heart of texas. |
Posted by: bombay 2007-01-18 09:14 |
#7 Does Texas have a beach? Any IT industry? |
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan 2007-01-18 09:07 |
#6 And the Fabian Society would wank themselves unconscious if Sammy were back in power? Clueless, feckin useless, wanky lefties who haven't got a clue about the real world. |
Posted by: Howard UK 2007-01-18 08:37 |
#5 Then come to Texas, McNails... lots of wide open spaces, still. Charming small towns in the Hill Country, fly-fishing galore. Hell, you can even own guns. And if someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you can shoot at them. Really. The cops won't mind at all; they'll look on it as perfectly understandable; laudable, even. Does get a bit hot in the summer, though. Always has, glow-ball worming notwithstanding. |
Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2007-01-18 08:29 |
#4 Funny you should say that Robert , I always envisaged myself retiring here and living out my final days fly-fishing and shooting up until about 6 years ago , now i just count down the days till im ready to leave for good. Britain is just a mess, and far too overcrowded now |
Posted by: MacNails 2007-01-18 08:08 |
#3 Damn. I always wanted to visit Britain. No way I'll visit the Islamic Republic of Britain. |
Posted by: Robert Crawford 2007-01-18 05:40 |
#2 "UK out?" Sure looks that way. |
Posted by: Dave D. 2007-01-18 04:53 |
#1 UK out? |
Posted by: gromgoru 2007-01-18 02:23 |