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Howard stands by Obama attack
2007-02-12
Prime Minister John Howard has defended his comments about United States presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposed policies. The spat erupted when Democrat Senator Obama said he would like US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. Mr Howard responded by saying that if he ran Al Qaeda, he would put a circle around March next year and pray for Mr Obama to win.

The attack on Senator Obama's plan has upset several US Democrats, including Senator Ron Wyden, who believes Mr Howard is meddling in US politics. "The most charitable thing you can say about Mr Howard's comment is it's bizarre," Senator Wyden said. "You know, we'll make our own judgements in this country with respect to elections and Barack Obama's a terrific public servant."

Labor argues Mr Howard has demeaned the alliance between the two countries, and Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd believes the Prime Minister should apologise. "I think Mr Howard went too far," Mr Rudd told Sky News. "When we're dealing with something as important as the US alliance, Labor and Liberal leaders need to be very careful about what we say because we'll be dealing with an administration of either political persuasion in a year or so's time."

However, Mr Howard says the suggestion he is interfering in US politics is absurd. Howard says he will continue to criticise policies that work against Australia's interests. "This is a world where people should be able to express their views," he said. "I think the Labor Party is wanting to have double standards - it's OK to attack Bush on Iraq because they don't agree with him, but it's not okay for me to attack Senator Obama's position on one aspect of Iraq, because they hold to that view themselves."

Mr Howard has strong support from Liberal backbencher Cameron Thompson, who says the US Senator's plan to withdraw from Iraq is evil.
Posted by:Steve White

#33  "So just why the hell can't Howard make remarks about the candidates in our elections?"

Because Republicans were throwing a hissy fit with pretensions of national pride, each and every time a European leader said anything against Bush? Hipocricy alert?

Can you imagine your reactions if an Australian (or European) PM had directed such comments *against* Bush?

Actually we don't need to imagine them, we just need to remember them. Weren't Rantburgers threatening to nuke every nation whose leaders tried to interfere or comment on your elections, I think?

The doublethink inherent would be so amusing if it weren't so sad.

And as for the core of Howard's comments, everyone knows what a great boost the invasion of Iraq was to Al Qaeda and to Tehran both -- both Sunni and Shiite islamofascisms greatly strengthened. This is just a plain fact anymore, not a matter of debate.

Affirmative action can get you a Harvard degree, but it can't get you elected president

Ooh, and you *almost* had me convinced that Obama's race had nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2007-02-12 09:36  

#32  Frank G, I guess Obama took your 'milk money' back in elementary school also, so why not pile on...right?
Posted by: smn   2007-02-12 23:35  

#31  smn - you just got on my "ignore" list
Posted by: Frank G   2007-02-12 22:08  

#30  did I put enuf exclamation points in?

mo Pappy!!!!!!!!!!!

;-)
Posted by: RD   2007-02-12 21:32  

#29  One only need to look at the photo above and 'realize' why he's not pounding the other candidates for pulling out!

Oooh - Mr. Howard's white! He wears glasses! He's a furriner! He ain't a Democrat! He's gotta be a.. a... Racist!! Couldn't be Senator Obama's politically-motivated little war on terror deadline-on-Iraq-statement-thingie now, could it?!!! Oh, noooooooo...... !!!

did I put enuf exclamation points in?
Posted by: Pappy   2007-02-12 21:05  

#28  the Greek is baaaaack in pulpit modi...
we're all doomed to a preachy boring death.. save us O Lord.. rapture us up now!
Posted by: RD   2007-02-12 20:16  

#27  Howard's comment was about how setting a timetable to surrender is a crappy-ass way to win a war rather than some racial snark. And yeah, he has a dog in this fight, just like anyone who has more than a passing interest in Western civilization and the war on terror
Posted by: SteveS   2007-02-12 20:13  

#26  #3 smn, let me share a fact with you. Most people in the world do not have American hypersensitivity about "Blacks". In fact, to an outsider american preocupations with black/white distinctions are more than a little radiculous.
Posted by: gromgoru   2007-02-12 19:34  

#25  Yikes! Ex-lib does the best back-handed compliments.
Posted by: Shipman   2007-02-12 19:18  

#24  Aris can say some interesting things, but he's more than a bit unstable, and I think the monitors are sparing him the public embarrassment of posting his problem all over the internet. When he's calm, however, and at least somewhat rational, he's okay. I mean, I totally disagree with him on most everything, but he's tolerable. My guess is Aris has shown up to fuss and pontificate through the election season.
Posted by: ex-lib   2007-02-12 16:45  

#23  "Mr Howard responded by saying that if he ran Al Qaeda, he would put a circle around March next year and pray for Mr Obama to win."

Too funny. And too true.

No 'race card' here--just a great assessment.

ALERT: expect trolls to surface as we get closer to the election.
Posted by: ex-lib   2007-02-12 16:40  

#22  in fairness, some of that was Anti-euro trolling, which AK was unable to shake off or ignore, and the things would spiral out of control.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2007-02-12 15:49  

#21  He did originally, MacNails. But then he started fighting with the regulars, as he was unable to reconcile his personal Platonic ideal of America with the reality. It got to the point that any thread on which Aris posted would end up running to 100 comments or more of nastiness. He was banned/unbanned several times, apparently in the hope that he would learn if he had a cooling off period, but to tell the truth even I have finally given up hope that he will outgrow this need to explain to us in detail exactly how stupid we are for not doing this Americanism thing as it ought be done.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-02-12 14:18  

#20  Aris Katsaris Trolled ?

Thought he used to spend time posting 'well thought out and reasoned' stuff , if a little odd .. What happened ? Greek army bang him on his head once too often ?
Posted by: MacNails   2007-02-12 13:45  

#19  Look, there are two leading candidates in the Dem polls right now, and ONE of them has set a date certain for total withdrawl from Iraq - and thats Obama. I dont see why Mr Howard has to be burdened to research the position of John Edwards, or Bill Richardson, or anyone else to prove hes not a racist.

Some of us Dems want a President who will restore our relations with our allies. Mr. Obama is not showing himself ideal in that regard, I must say.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2007-02-12 13:36  

#18  Yes! What Darth said!
Posted by: BigEd   2007-02-12 13:29  

#17  Glad to see at least one western leader still has spine enough to tell the truth.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-02-12 10:13  

#16  Robert Crawford #13; last I recalled, there are about 8 candidates running on the Democratic side of the race, Howard's remarks were not about 'candidates', it was directed straight at Obama!
Posted by: smn   2007-02-12 08:52  

#15  But Affirmative Action can get you elected president of Harvard (which has a new female head).
Posted by: Spot   2007-02-12 08:28  

#14  Affirmative action can get you a Harvard degree, but it can't get you elected president.

Not yet.
Posted by: Juck Thomort3821   2007-02-12 06:01  

#13  So let's see... The Clintons send people to Israel to campaign in their elections. I believe Kerry sent someone to Australia to campaign against Howard.

So just why the hell can't Howard make remarks about the candidates in our elections?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2007-02-12 05:28  

#12  Affirmative action can get you a Harvard degree, but it can't get you elected president. Obama's response is a classic - Howard set an ambush and Obama walked right into it.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2007-02-12 04:10  

#11  Phil_b, I agree, Obama has a 'snowball's chance in hell' becoming President, and Mr Howard knows it, so why 'spit the venom'? He's only being 'used' by the 'true power players' to insulate and buffer Hilliary until Fall 07', what I would call a 'sacrificial anode' such as what would be found in a hot water heater! I want to hear John Howard say that Al Qaeda will circle January 22nd 2009, as a day of intense prayer and rejoicing! I don't know, yet, what the ratio of women to men are in Australian politics and office, but I bet It's higher than in America!
Posted by: smn   2007-02-12 03:07  

#10  Bunyip, John Howard's remark remind me of what Arsenio Hall use to say about 'things that make you go hmmmm'! For example, Vicente Fox of Mexico said his people working in America illegally only did jobs even 'Blacks' refuse to do! Why didn't he say 'Americans' or 'Whites' (which there are more poorer there of)Causing "W" to become politically correct on the matter? Unlike Fox, he needs to 'nip this in the bud' quickly, and try to be a more equal opportunity 'mudslinger'...if he's a GOPr at heart!
Posted by: smn   2007-02-12 02:50  

#9  While the Left still seethes over the "Children Overboard" incident, it saved Australia from the disaster of uncontrolled immigration unlike Europe and the USA.

smn, I don't know why you are raising the race issue. Race isn't a hot-button issue here in Oz.

My 2cW is that I would be amazed if someone called Hussein Obama became US President. However, a black US president in the not too distant future wouldn't surprise me, however it's not going to be Obama.
Posted by: phil_b   2007-02-12 02:35  

#8  smn, you said at #3 that "John Howard is needling the only Black candidate...One only need to look at the photo above and 'realize' why he's not pounding the other candidates for pulling out". What exactly am I meant to see in the photo? Is there some sign on his face that says "I will take on the black guy, and leave the white guys alone?"

About two hours ago, the Australian parliament debated a censure motion, that was moved by the opposition party against John Howard, for the remarks he made about Obama. The debate included several speakers including Howard and the Defence Minister. They put some of the best arguments I have ever heard as to why Al Quaida will rejoice if Obama wins.

As for race, well, it wasn't mentioned. Why? Because it is irrelevant.

So, smn, if the race card is being played, it is not being played by John Howard, regardless of what you might see in his face.
Posted by: Bunyip   2007-02-12 02:28  

#7  The race card will be at the top of the deck i'm afraid, this coming year or so.

Whatever the card is, it will be fear-related. Howard is a master of playing the fear card - "Children Overboard" in 2001 etc.

Howard has changed his tune on Iraq since hisStatement to the Parliament on Iraq, May 14, 2003

Not only was the victory achieved quickly but the doomsday predictions were not realised: the oil wells were not set on fire; there were not millions of refugees; the dams on the Tigris and the Euphrates were not breached to bring on catastrophic flooding; there was no long drawn-out bloody siege for Baghdad. For all this we are extremely grateful.

The decisive victory of the American-led coalition reflects great credit on the strength and determination of President BushÂ’s leadership. It also has immense implications, not least the momentum it has already begun to generate towards achieving a Middle East peace settlement.

President Bush and his administration are determined to all that they can to advance the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians.


AFAIK, President Bush is still attempting to achieve victory in Iraq, four years on. The western delusion that it can bring peace between Israel and the Palestinians continues to be just that. Delusion.

Middle East "Peace", to Islam, involves nothing less than the destruction of Israel. Yet another delusion.
Posted by: Truth Overboard   2007-02-12 02:17  

#6  Phil_b, John Howard is only implying, he would feel a lot better, and so would Al Qaeda if Hilliary wins (The electorate will cause the 'other shoe to drop [from this November's election, ie, the Executive Branch will shift to the Democrats as well]); she would only pull the troops out 'cold turkey' ala Vietnam, shortly after January 22nd 2009! That would mean Al Qaeda would have to erase that calender circle and push it back... Ohhh...11 months!! Will he apologize to the Black man then...HELL NO!
Posted by: smn   2007-02-12 02:07  

#5  Howard attacked his major policy plank, namely a date for, presumably, full withdrawl from Iraq. Obama failed to defend that policy and bizzarely advocated sending more troops by Australia.
Posted by: phil_b   2007-02-12 01:47  

#4  He's clean and articulate; what more do you want?
Posted by: Joe Biden   2007-02-12 01:30  

#3  John Howard is needling the only Black candidate, because he considers it 'safe' to do so. One only need to look at the photo above and 'realize' why he's not pounding the other candidates for pulling out! The race card will be at the top of the deck i'm afraid, this coming year or so.
Posted by: smn   2007-02-12 01:28  

#2  My panties are in a bunch...
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi   2007-02-12 01:24  

#1  GOD BLESS JOHN HOWARD!
Posted by: cajunbelle   2007-02-12 00:05  

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