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Female Circumcision & Sexual Slavery In Saudi Arabia (MUST read)
2007-02-12

Is it REAL????
This is insane, sick... shades of the "Spartan" movie, though there is no "happy" ending there. Again, is this sick sh*t true?

This is the fate of many Saudi women &, guess what? quite a few kidnapped western girls as well while our own governments look studiously away in the direction only of oil! Translated private interview from Saudi Arabia forwarded to me & many others in a desperate attempt to get the word out Doctor Muzaffar: I have a medical practice in Jizan, Saudi Arabia which I practice female circumcision. I am a Egyptian and still spend much time there, but spend much time at my clinic in the Kingdom. My husband travels with me. Female circumcision is well established in Egypt and is now spreading in the Kingdom from the Tihama region of the Arabian peninsula. The locals have practiced in for many years and now the Saudi religious police have encouraged its spread in the Kingdom.

RZ: Why did you pick there to set up your practice if female Circumcision is easily available.

Doctor Muzaffar: I was recruited in my homeland, Egypt, by the religious police as circumcising the young may be done by midwives, there was few trained female Doctors in the kingdom that had experience in circumcising grown women.

RZ: Religious police?

Doctor Muzaffar: Yes , this is the new more tolerant religious police, where in the past Prostitution or Adultery was punishable by stoning , now sometimes they simply have the accused circumcised and , or infibulated. They bring them to my clinic and they are my guest for a day or two. I also Train nurses for the religious police to preform female circumcision. after a training period they are moved to female hospitals in other Kingdom cities. Clitoridectomy is not not a hard thing to learn for the average nurse. The religious police feel that female circumcision has many positive benefits. It calms women, ends lesbian activities, discourages adultery and prostitution. It allows women to concentrate on being good wives and mothers.
Posted by:anonymous5089

#21  There is an interesting debate going on in the Local section regarding prostitution. I couldn't help thinking that in the Islamic world, it is the same mindset made culturally and politically mainstream--women as objects to such a degree that their very sexuality is COMPLETELY controlled for purposes of male pleasure fantasy experience.

The highest number of online porn customers are from the Middle Eastern countries, too. Weird connection. In fact, the "shaved" presentation of female anatomy that characterizes online porn comes directly from the preferences of those MidEastern customers. It is connected to the removal of female sexuality and a fantasy return to pre-pubescence and sex with the same. Bascially, Arabs are dictating the sexual "preferences" of the West in that arena for those who view that stuff.

Just some FYI.
Posted by: ex-lib   2007-02-12 23:33  

#20  I do not, for an instant doubt the veracity of these accounts. In fact, I would think it is only the tip of the iceberg, further, I think if we knew the true extent of our enemies perversions we'd slaughter the lot of them. Now. Every last man, woman and child. Just to be certain there could be no more Islam.

Islam is an evil that must be either exterminated, or quarantined. Since I harbor no illusions about the prospects of quarantining them, they must be destroyed. Unfortunately, I think our culture is doomed to perish because of the Leftist Cancer that has hollowed out our souls. Pity. It means that humanity is unlikely to ever make it to the Stars, and beyond. Trapped on this rock, because we're too cowardly to declare Liberalism a fatal mental disease and act accordingly. Too cowardly to deal with an obvious evil. Islam Delenda Est!
Posted by: Omolurt Elmeaper6990   2007-02-12 20:47  

#19  The majority of circumcisions are simply snipping it off. This is most effective in controlling female behavior. 90% of the pleasure nerves are in the very tip. By just snipping off the tip will have the desired effect on female behavior.

If this is for real, the solution is to cut the heads off the animals responsible for this. No, not at the neck. The other head. Then crush their balls between two rocks. Then impale them.

I think Vlad Tepes is my new hero.

Now excuse me. I'm gonna go puke.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2007-02-12 20:05  

#18  I spent a few minutes reading about Ampbreias, the woman who posted this on her website. Unless the vast amount of information and pictures about herself are an elaborate fabrication, I'd lean towards the credibility of this account, which she says is a priate interview that was e-mailed to her and many others.
I am also an eclectic-agnostic ex-Muslimah and crusader against Islamism. I’m not against someone believing in that stuff – religion, or lack thereof, should be a personal choice – I’ve just seen the damage Islam can do when played out to it logical extreme and am just determined to undermine its ability to do harm thereby. My first book, Lost in Foreign Passions, written under my former married name [Debra Kamza], is a memoir of my time as a Muslim and the year I was stuck in Iran under the oppressive presence of the Islamic Regime when it was still so new that Iranians themselves could remember what it was like to have relative freedom only a few years previously.
Seems that after she escaped Iran and abandoned Islam, she served for a time in the US Army as well. Her personal interests still seem to reflect the sort of flakiness that would be expected of a naive young Western girl who gets swept up by something exotic that turns into a nightmare.

Funny, J.D., I too found myself wondering if Natalie Holloway is now a slave in a Saudi harem.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll be spending rest of the evening suppressing my vomit reflex, whilst thanking the good Lord I am both intact and well-armed.
Posted by: exJAG   2007-02-12 17:38  

#17  Hello all you idiot people choosing DENIAL.

Uneducated.

Mysogynist.

Head-in-Sand Retrobrains.

Truth Suppresors.

Helpers of the Moslem Satan.

You know who you are.

The merely ignorant I will excuse, unless you stop being ignorant by choice or design.

Witless promoters of Female Genital Mutiliation.

You all make me sick.

I thoroughly researched Female Circumcision or Female Genital Mutiltation (FGM) when I was getting my master's degree a couple of years ago. This practice is widespread the documented.

Some links:

World Health Organization

Egypt: US State Dept. report


FGCENP

CARE

QUESTIA

FGM - Info

UNICEF

UNICEF Pamphlet

IIMAS

culture & FGM

FGM What Works, What Doesn't

photos: disturbing

Of course, this is only a start based on internet listings. There is plenty of info in professional journals and books. It's linked to the white (and other) slave trade:

see this link

Americans Against the Sauduction of Washington

maids as slaves

The point is this: the royal Saudis are sick men, entirely wrapped up in and warped by sexual perversion. White women are prized as slaves. They come from Russia, Scandinavia, Europe, and America. Their whereabouts are untraceable once they enter the magic Kingdom. The issue of FGM of these captive women would be a simple extension of the Saudis’ design to maintain a private “collection” of sex objects, “who deserve” to be slaves, since "they dress as prostitutes" and go about without maile escorts. It is not farfetched at all that this occurs.

Secondly, the fact that the rich Saudis are employing Eygptian doctors makes perfect sense because the Eygptian docs are more familiar with the practice. The “state of the art” references are completely believable because the rich Saudis can afford it.

Also, it is not uncommon for Egyptian women to bring their daughters to medical clinics now for the “operation,” since there has been a lot of information about health complications with FGM. Even though is it technically “illegal” for women or girls to undergo FGM in Egypt, it happens all the time and goes unpunished.

The dog collar thing is just more the of the same mindset in action.

The sex slave thing is also tied to the child/aduult pornography industry.

Finally, that they refuse to give pain killer to “offenders” undergoing FGM as punishment, is part and parcel of their thinking.

Just wish there was a link to the interview site, for verification, but from everything I know, it is not only beliveable, but entirely probable.

The lack of true understanding of the enemy (sociopolitical/cultural/religious) is the most dangerous problem in this war.

Posted by: ex-lib   2007-02-12 16:31  

#16  Muslim hard boyz don't have a history of being able to sexually satisfy their women. Female genital mutilation gives them a built in excuse to explain why.
Posted by: Mark Z   2007-02-12 15:52  

#15  BTW, ItÂ’s NOT Female Circumcision. ItÂ’s intentional mutilation of female genitalia.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2007-02-12 15:43  

#14  The oldest active Google ref I saw is from Oct 25, 2005: white girls circumcision in Saudi Arabia. However, in comment #5, Hume references an even earlier instance of this article at ummah.net. It has been removed (assuming it was there). However there is some crazy female clitorectomy shit from "Zaira", such as: I am a 30 year old British born nurse. I met and married an Egyptian doctor several years ago, lived in Egypt for several years and converted to Islam and underwent female circumcision. I have no regrets. ... This information is widely known in countries that practice female circumcision, but it is deliberately supressed by the West - whether you want to call it cultural imperialism, political correctness or just plain old bigotry against those of different beliefs or religion is up to you. Thirdly, the reasons for female circumcision are also deliberately misrepresented by the West. Female circumcision IS permitted under Islam and since the West has banned it, this is an attack on our religion. In the past female circumcision was considered optional, but many (both ordinary people and religious scholars) now think that it should be mandatory because of the West's anti-Islamic predjudice. The West also deliberately supresses the medical information relating to the benefits of female circumcision. Particularly in the case of Egypt where due to Western pressure its practice was banned for many years - but then permitted again some years ago - substantial comparative data has been gathered. [While female circumcision was banned it nevertheless continued to be practiced, although admittedly under less than perfect conditions - and this was one of the reasons why the Egyptian government lifted the ban]. Within a few years of the ban being lifted, female circumcison rates shot up from 90% in the countryside and 50% in the cities to 97% throughout the country.
Posted by: ed   2007-02-12 14:24  

#13  I saw nothing at about.com either, so I submitted it to them with a link to the website where a5089 got it.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-02-12 14:08  

#12  Bottom line nothing will change in Saudi until we get rid of our oil dependency!!!
Posted by: Ebbolump Glomotle9608   2007-02-12 14:00  

#11  Many college girls. They are easy to acquire.

Just drug them and drag them on to your yacht while in Aruba.
Posted by: J.D. Lux   2007-02-12 13:55  

#10  If the concubines are surrounded by 15-foot walls, why do they need special collars that administer electric shocks when they get out of bounds? It sounds like clumsy propaganda by someone who (rightly) doesn't like the Saudis.

Posted by: Flurong Ebbaque7090   2007-02-12 13:39  

#9  I call hoax. This sounds like some sort of sex fantasy. No doubt some of this is based on a core of truth (circumcision, etc.), but the elaborations are bizarre. There are a lot of oddities also, like I don't think any important Saudi is called a "Pasha".

There is no doubt a lot of abuse of foreign workers and foreign wives/etc. in Saudi, but in decades of these stories I have seen nothing so rococco as this.
Posted by: buwaya   2007-02-12 12:19  

#8  A female Egyptian doctor is highly unlikely to refer to women as 'birds' - it's a term used only by British males.

Really, I'd prefer this to be an hoax, though I have no doubt it might exist, if only in less "severe" form. The bird might be literal here, an image (IE a "bird" caught by the hunter), not a national slang term, but you might be right too.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-02-12 12:09  

#7  The artilce reads like the screen play for a sci-fi horror film.
Posted by: Mark Z   2007-02-12 11:44  

#6  I smell a rat:

They simply seduce a bird that they fancy, fly her to the Kingdom where she simply disappears into a harem to never be heard from again.

A female Egyptian doctor is highly unlikely to refer to women as 'birds' - it's a term used only by British males.
Posted by: Flurong Ebbaque7090   2007-02-12 11:40  

#5  Just don't mention "pigs" in front of them. I hear that offends them...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-02-12 11:36  

#4  And this is against that "civilization", its values, its laws that we are going to lose? Because we are taught to hate ourselves and to long for oblivion (they have children, we don't anymore... who loves death more than life, ultimately?)...?
Because we (or our Enlightened Elites) prostitute ourselves, kneeling in front of the petrodollar god? Shirak has or had a 50 millions euros secret bank account in Japan, I have no doubt most of it came from backshich from arms deals with gulf countries.

Like I wrote, no happy ending.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-02-12 11:07  

#3  OK I've calmed down somewhat, First order of business, kill all the "Religious police", to the last one.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-02-12 10:57  

#2  I'm too upset to comment coherently.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-02-12 10:51  

#1  Hum, Snopes doesn't have this as an hoax; I should try google, but I'm to p*ssed and angered.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-02-12 10:49  

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