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Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Rumsfeld
2007-03-28
Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld cannot be tried on allegations of torture in overseas military prisons, a federal judge said Tuesday in a case he described as ``lamentable.'' U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan threw out a lawsuit brought on behalf of nine former prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said Rumsfeld cannot be held personally responsible for actions taken in connection with his government job.
That's only been codified as a principle of common law since about 1400, I think, though without a "the king is immune from suit" principle all government action is hamstrung. I believe that was part of the intent here....
The lawsuit contends the prisoners were beaten, suspended upside down from the ceiling by chains, urinated on, shocked, sexually humiliated, burned, locked inside boxes and subjected to mock executions.
There are two guys who were nabbed today who're car bomb artists, responsible for 900 deaths and a couple thousand maimings. Boy, I sure hope nobody pees on one of them. I'd really hate to see their rights violated like that.
Lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First had argued that Rumsfeld and top military officials disregarded warnings about the abuse and authorized the use of illegal interrogation tactics that violated the constitutional and human rights of prisoners.

Hogan appeared conflicted during arguments last year. On one hand, he said he was hesitant to allow allegations of torture to go unheard. On the other hand, he said the case was unprecedented. ``This is a lamentable case,'' Hogan began his 58-page opinion Tuesday.
I really feel for them. [Urp!]
No matter how appealing it might seem to use the courts to correct allegations of severe abuses of power, Hogan wrote, government officials are immune from such lawsuits. Additionally, foreigners held overseas are not normally afforded U.S. constitutional rights. ``Despite the horrifying torture allegations,'' Hogan said, he could find no case law supporting the lawsuit, which he previously had described as unprecedented.
You can keep looking back all the way to Roman law, and then you can look in the law books of every country in the world. 'Tain't there.
Allowing the case to go forward, Hogan said in December, might subject government officials to all sorts of political lawsuits. Even Osama bin Laden could sue, Hogan said, claiming two American presidents threatened to have him murdered. ``There is no getting around the fact that authorizing monetary damages remedies against military officials engaged in an active war would invite enemies to use our own federal courts to obstruct the Armed Forces' ability to act decisively and without hesitation,'' Hogan wrote Tuesday.
Posted by:Fred

#10  How else can you explain all of the information that has been withheld from us for the last 20 years? All of these years we have been reading/watching Pravda and just didn't realize it.

Longer than that for the NYT - they've always had a soft spot for communist and anti-American regimes. See their denial of the Soviet-engineered Ukrainian famine, their soft-pedaling of Holocaust rumors while the publisher was using connections to get his family out, their glowing praise of the Khmer Rouge when they took over Cambodia, and their entire Vietnam War coverage. That was all over 30 years ago.

I apologize but I don't have time to find links to all these allegations right now. I'll try to dig some up when I get home...
Posted by: xbalanke   2007-03-28 18:07  

#9  See you been mindwashed Steve, Santas kinda faked too....


/Angry Toof Fairy
Posted by: Shipman   2007-03-28 17:48  

#8  When I was a kid, I believed in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the UN and the ACLU. I still believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny.
Posted by: SteveS   2007-03-28 16:35  

#7  What I think is the most interesting is how the MSM has covered for the ACLU all of these years. It could not have been very difficult to find this (and other) information and it would certainly have been of interest to the majority of Americans. It is getting more and more difficult to believe that the major networks are not also actively working against American interests. How else can you explain all of the information that has been withheld from us for the last 20 years? All of these years we have been reading/watching Pravda and just didn't realize it.
Posted by: Fester Jomons8988   2007-03-28 15:12  

#6  If at first...
WND : The ACLU's shocking legacy
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-03-28 12:10  

#5  The ACLU is determined to destroy the United States from within, or to weaken us sufficiently forces from outside can do so. They are enemies of the United States and its people.

http://stoptheaclu.com/
WND : ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
WND : The ACLU's shocking legacy
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-03-28 12:09  

#4  Those determined to be unlawful combattants under the Geneva Convintion have NO rights. The ACLU is attempting to create a US Constitutional right for such prisoners. The ACLU needs to be shut down - preferably by force. The ACLU is determined to destroy the United States from within, or to weaken us sufficiently forces from outside can do so. They are enemies of the United States and its people.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-03-28 11:54  

#3  The only pertinent question is: What would they do if they captured one of our boys?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2007-03-28 11:23  

#2  "There is no getting around the fact that authorizing monetary damages remedies against military officials engaged in an active war would invite enemies to use our own federal courts to obstruct the Armed Forces' ability to act decisively and without hesitation."

To the plaintiffs and the ACLU, that isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Posted by: Mike   2007-03-28 05:57  

#1  Judge Hogan's a Reagan appointee. Notch up one for the Gipper.
Posted by: PBMcL   2007-03-28 01:41  

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