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Judge orders discharge of an anti-war Marine
2007-04-03
Pussy should never have joined in the first place - they're better off without him
A federal judge has ordered the Marines to discharge a San Jose lance corporal as a "conscientious objector" who had an aversion to killing and participating in war.

Robert Zabala, 23, must be released from the Marines Corps Reserves by mid-April, U.S. District Judge James Ware said in a 21-page ruling Thursday.

"We're very pleased with it," Zabala's attorney, Stephen Collier, said Monday. "I think it's a good decision and that it makes clear to the armed services that they can't deny conscientious-objector discharges from the military."

Zabala, a UC Santa Cruz student, began boot camp in June 2003. During a three-month period that summer, one of Zabala's superiors repeatedly gave speeches about "blowing s -- up" or "kicking some f- a-," which caused him to wonder "how someone could be so motivated to kill," he wrote in his court petition in April 2006.

In August 2003, a fellow recruit committed suicide on the shooting range, and the same superior used profanities to belittle him, Zabala wrote, saying he was "abhorred by the blood lust (the superior) seemed to possess."

An instructor showed recruits a "motivational clip" showing Iraqi corpses, explosions, gunfights and rockets set to the song "Bodies," by the heavy-metal band Drowning Pool. The lyrics included "Let the bodies hit the floor," and Zabala said he cried -- his only time while in boot camp -- while other recruits nodded their heads in time with the beat and smiled.

"The sanctity of life that formed the moral center of petitioner's life was being challenged," Collier wrote in a court filing.

After Zabala returned to UC Santa Cruz, he had a conversation with a fellow Marine in May 2004. "I began to think about the thousands of people who died in the past year in war, who didn't die due to just one soldier or suicide bomber, but largely by an organization," Zabala recounted. "This organization trains to kill human life."

Zabala, who followed some Buddhist-related traditions but was not a practicing Buddhist, applied in June 2004 for a discharge on the basis of conscientious-objector status, but was denied one, court records show.

Zabala's grandfather served in Vietnam, his parents and uncles were in the Navy, one cousin is in the Air Force and another cousin is the Marines, according to Collier.
Posted by:Frank G

#21  There is no such thing as an anti-war Marine.

God plays his games, and you play tours. But when God wants a legion of Angels, he does not call upon pussies.
Posted by: newc   2007-04-03 22:48  

#20  I'm not sold on the "signed up to protest" theory.

Very few protesters would have what it takes to go through Marine Boot Camp. How long is it? Like 3 months? It doesn't seem worth it.

Of course, there's always the possibility of this being a liberal miscalculator that crunched some numbers and spit out the answer they wanted.
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-04-03 22:06  

#19  "who wants a pussy [figuratively speaking Lady Warriors] around in a fight"

Ain't none of the Lady Warriors here pussies to begin with, #16 Red, so no need to qualify your statement. ;-p

As for family dinners, there shouldn't be a problem. His chosen "family" of traitorous losers should welcome him. The people who share his DNA, however....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-04-03 22:04  

#18   Deliberately enlisted so as to make an anti-war case once in uniform?

that's how I read it too, occasional observer. Mr. Zabala comes from a military family; there is no conceivable way -- to include mental retardation and brain damage -- that he did not know exactly what he signed up for. As for family dinners, while the older generations may be only quietly scornful, I suspect the cousins serving in the Air Force and Marines will make the feelings of their respective forces very clear.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-04-03 21:48  

#17  Not sure a federal judge has any jurisdiction here. The scum is subject to the UCMJ, not civil law. A dishonorable discharge is what this cowardly activist needs.
Posted by: RWV   2007-04-03 19:25  

#16  Jan Yeah this isn't the kind of guy I want watching my back.
This isn't the kind of guy I'd want working for me either.


dittos, the krux of it. and as Frank said who wants a pussy [figuratively speaking Lady Warriors] around in a fight. No coat holders either. ;-)
Posted by: Red Dog   2007-04-03 19:12  

#15  That is of course assuming the Demos defund the troops. If not then Sulla can wait.
Posted by: jds   2007-04-03 19:10  

#14  Deliberately enlisted so as to make an anti-war case once in uniform?
Posted by: occasional observer   2007-04-03 18:58  

#13  Proco-2K,

I'm looking for Sulla too. Defund the troops. Bring them home. Set them free in DC to right things at home.
Posted by: jds   2007-04-03 18:56  

#12  The big question is will they give him a general discharge or a dd? I assume because the judge ordered him released as a c.o., he will get a general; but if the Corps is aggravated enough, they may change that to a dd.

In turn, that may put it all back before that judge, which would be very interesting indeed, a judge trying to force the military to essentially "discharge with honor". Now, *that* would be a very different kettle of fish altogether.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-04-03 18:43  

#11  not only should he pay back the cost of his training, he better have any and all benefits normally given to guys when they get out stopped.
How lame/stupid can one be, I guess pretty damn stupid. Yeah this is the kind of guy I want watching my back.
This isn't the kind of guy I'd want working for me either.
Posted by: Jan from work   2007-04-03 17:39  

#10  WTF did this clown think the Marines were for? Does he speak English? Did he completely ignore every word his recruiter told him or just the ones he didn't want to hear? Hmm... Methinks ima know the answer to that one. What male could possibly have a problem with "blowing shit up and kicking some fucking ass?" I have so many questions about this guy that it makes my head spin.

And WTF was with the recruit that smoked himself?

Those two asshats had to be butt buddies.

Mike N.
Posted by: Shinerong the Anonymous9477   2007-04-03 17:24  

#9  Procopius2k, sounds like grounds for the Marines to appeal. Not so much the failure of the system. Things may not be perfect the first go through but the system is designed to right itself.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-04-03 17:23  

#8  while other recruits nodded their heads in time with the beat and smiled.

:>
Posted by: Shipman   2007-04-03 16:59  

#7  One of Santa Cruz's finest banana slugs. Hope the lawyer cost him a bundle.
Posted by: Deadeye Groluting8229   2007-04-03 16:55  

#6  Nice violation of separation of powers. Another nail in the coffin of the Republic. So many kings, so few republicans. Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress and Congress only the law powers governing land and naval forces. It's not this judge or any judge's prerogative to issue fiats just because he desires a specific outcome. The constraint is that the law is followed. So if judges can make it up, why can't Sulla? They make it so easy in the end.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-04-03 16:54  

#5  I think he somehow missed the point of the Marines when he joined. Perhaps he thought it was the Merchant Marines or something.

Sounds more suited to the Coast Guard. I don't mean to diminish the Coasties by saying that, but their job is a service that is not geared so much towards war as the others.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-04-03 15:50  

#4  most know what it's about before they sign the papers and get their bonus checks
Posted by: sinse   2007-04-03 15:34  

#3  Good God, most enlistees figure out what the military is all about sometime during basic training.
Marines usually earlier than that.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom   2007-04-03 15:01  

#2  Zabala's grandfather served in Vietnam, his parents and uncles were in the Navy, one cousin is in the Air Force and another cousin is the Marines, according to Collier.

Methinks that Holiday dinners will be very interesting. . .
Posted by: GORT   2007-04-03 14:58  

#1  I would let him go and send him a bill for his training.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2007-04-03 14:33  

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