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China-Japan-Koreas
China's dream of empire, the original map
2007-06-13
I had heard people talking about this idea of China's expansionism before, and I finally found the original map. Download the map here in .PDF format. In my book, this map belongs with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but anyhow, it's the source of the idea.
Indian Home Affairs Minister Mr. R. M. Hajarnavis claimed in the Indian Upper House on 27 August that the Communist Chinese have published a map showing most of South East Asia as well as large areas of India as Chinese territory. This statement refers to a map which appeared in a Chinese text book Brief History of Modern China published in Peking by the Yi Chang publishing house. Its original heading runs as follows: "The Chinese Territories Taken by the Imperialists in the Old Democratic Revolutionary Era (l840-1919)." It depicts as part of the Chinese Empire numerous areas that later came either under foreign domination or became independent Asian nations. Thus the map (as reproduced on the next page) shows parts of Kazakhstan, Kirghizstan, and Tajikstan as the "Great North West" within Chinese borders (they were taken over by Russia under the Treaty of Chuguchak in 1864); the Pamir region (lost in 1896); areas of the Soviet Far East ("given to Russia" under the Treaties of Aigun in 1858 and Peking in 1860).

Other parts of Asia shown as part of the Chinese Empire between l840 and 1919 are Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, Assam, Burma, Malaya, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, and the Ryukyu islands. All are marked as lost to the "imperialist" powers during that period.

Since the said textbook was published in 1954, and the map in question referred to an earlier historical period, its use as a means of demonstrating Peking's present expansionism is limited.

In addition, the Chinese news agency Hsinhua (Xinhua), presumably referring to this map (following its republication in an Indian weekly as part of an article on Chinese border claims on the Soviet Union) denied its authenticity on 13 August. Whatever its origin, however, it can hardly be presented as a documentary evidence of Chinese expansionism.
Posted by:Ching Spoth1127

#6  C-low, it's a waiting game of demographics. Chinese don't have to use military (unless they will be inclined to get some reduction of excess males). In about 50 years, Sibiria will be almost depopulated (not many ethnic Russian will be left there). Even in 30 years, they may be able to grab it with a little or almost no resistance on Russian part.
Posted by: twobyfour   2007-06-13 22:35  

#5  I still think that if/when China makes a land grab it will be either the Stans (possible under some anti-terrorism or such BS) or Russian E aka Siberia. Very simply both of those moves will play to China's strong points militarily Army , Airforce that against the Stans would dominate or Russia would hold its own and come out by numbers. These territories would give China what it desperatley needs both land mass to expand into and the Natrual resources that the US can currently choke off via our sea dominance.

Tiawan would bring war with the US and play to China's weaknesses Navy, Airforce. SE Asia play would send that region back into our corner and don't forget the Chicom's already tried this back right after the US/Vietnam war and failed horribly. China maybe stronger now but we also woudl be willing to support SE Asia in thier defense now. S Asia Tiawan would draw US in stuanch ally more so than even Tiawan and Burma may go un-headed or may just send India into the fight.

I think China is playing Russia for a major beatdown. Getting Putty to step away from the west isolating him at the sametime the war games which both improve the Chicom military and learn the Russian capabilities.

Ohhh yeah and did I mention that right now there is more illegal Chinese migrants in Siberia than there is Russian's? Russia is low hanging fruit on the tree and the Chicoms are hungry for the sweet taste of that Siberian Gold, Oil, Land, minerals. hmmmm
Posted by: C-Low   2007-06-13 16:45  

#4  Loving the Ghost Dance reference, Glenmore.
Posted by: Excalibur   2007-06-13 10:07  

#3  How much of that Chinese mapped territory overlaps the Ummah? Quite a lot, it appears. Head-to-head, my money's on Beijing, but lots of innocents would get squished as the big guys flailed around at each other. On the other hand, a whole lot of Islamonuts would get squished too.

Big players: EU, Russia, China, US, India, Ummah.
EU: losing to Ummah via demographics and multi-culti.
Russia: lost Islamic SSR to Ummah; Siberia at serious risk to China.
China: gaining on EU & US via trade & foreign intervention (& espionage); at risk vs Ummah.
US: still #1, but at risk to most via multi-culti & demographics (& internal infighting).
India: gaining on most but still way back. At risk to Ummah due to proximity & history - New Delhi could be the Stalingrad to Islamofascism's expansion (very brutal and costly, but decisive.) China positioning to take on the winner and pick up the pieces.
Ummah: Has the population base, but that's it. Eventually they'll push somebody too far and the gloves will come off. The Ghost Dance shirts didn't protect the Indians any better than Allan will protect the Muslims when that happens.
China plays long, long term. And they're rational. They'll maneuver around the edges of all the above as they confront each other (and likely even 'encourage' the confrontations), and pick up pieces as they become available. Don't take your eyes off them.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-06-13 09:35  

#2  This isn't just a figment of someone's imagination. Chinese at the street level think of these areas as lost territories. I expect that when China's military is ready, the Chinese will renounce past border agreements as "unequal treaties", and proceed to recover their "lost territories".
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2007-06-13 08:46  

#1  I'm sure the Chinese aren't happy with this map either, but the boys in Ulan Bator think its nifty. History can be played both ways.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-06-13 08:26  

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