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Europe
French Muslims face hurdles in building mosques
2007-07-11
Mohamed Aboulbaki, a French Muslim, unfurled the design sheets for a gleaming new mosque where Muslims from ethnically mixed eastern Paris and its suburbs could congregate, away from the cramped prayer houses they now frequent. “The Catholics, Protestants and Jews all have a place to pray in dignity. Why not us?” asked Aboulbaki, showing the modern minaret that would change the skyline in Montreuil, a suburban town east of Paris. “Islam is the second largest religious group in France. Surely we can have a decent place,” he said.

After four years of debate, the first stone for the Great Mosque of Montreuil was laid at a ceremony six months ago during which the mayor declared that the town would finally have a “mosque in full sight”. But construction had not yet started when a local far-right politician won a court ruling last month outlawing a lease negotiated with the city for a plot of land to build the mosque. The victory of the far-right in Montreuil followed a similar court decision in the Mediterranean port city of Marseille in April, both of which have dealt a setback to efforts by Muslim groups and city councils to build new mosques.

Home to Europe’s biggest Muslim community, France’s five million Muslims have only 1,500 mosques or prayer houses, most of which are housed in small modest halls often described as “basement mosques”. Echoing the view of many Muslim leaders, Aboulbaki said France must “get its mosques out of the basements” if it wants its Muslim population to fully integrate into mainstream society.

Three years after France banned headscarves in schools, the court rulings barring cities from providing land for mosques is shaping up as the latest test on how France, with its strong Christian roots, can accommodate Islam. President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose tough stance on immigration has made him an unpopular politician among Muslims, said during his campaign for the presidency that he had no objections to the local governments helping communities get a proper place of worship. Interior Minister Michele Alliot-Marie announced last week that she would soon present proposals with a view to “finding pragmatic solutions to the problems raised by the practice of religion”.

In Montreuil, Marseille and in a third upcoming case challenging the construction of a mosque in the Paris suburb of Creteil, far-right groups have seized on provisions of a law on the separation of church and state to argue that city councils are illegally subsidising religion by awarding leases for little money.

The Montreuil city council agreed to a long-term lease of land for the paltry sum of one euro (1.4 dollars) while Marseille had demanded 300 euros per year for a plot for the new mosque. Both have since reviewed the leases. “In Montreuil, there is opposition to the symbolic sum of one euro but in the 1930s, the Catholic Church in the Paris region got long-term leases for 1,000 francs, or about 1.50 euros,” said Didier Leschi, the director of the religious affairs office at the interior ministry.

For Patricia Vayssiere, the far-right councillor from Montreuil who successfully challenged the city’s decision to provide land, building a mosque amounts to nothing less than encouraging the emergence of a dangerous political force in France. “We are not against Islam as long as it remains a private matter,” said Vayssiere, a senior member of the far-right National Republican Mouvement (MNR). “What we want to halt is the Islamisation of our country. When we see in some towns that pork is no longer served in cafeterias, so as not to offend Muslims, or that municipal pools now offer separate swim hours for men and women, we can see that we are not just dealing with religion, but rather a political force.”

Confronting the Islamophobia of the far-right is not the only roadblock in the way of MontreuilÂ’s Muslims. Despite a major fund-raising campaign, only 200,000 euros of the total 1.5 million euros needed to build the mosque have been raised from the local community made up mostly of Malians, north Africans, Senegalese and Muslims from the Comoros.

France’s first mosque, the Great Mosque of Paris, opened in 1926 in Paris’ Latin Quarter, an architectural gem with a tea room, built with help from Algerian donors. City councils have come around to the view that building a mosque could help ease some of the tensions in the immigrant-heavy suburbs that exploded into three weeks of rioting in 2005, said Geisser. “Many mayors see a mosque in their community as a sort of clinic, with clearly identified people that they could talk to and enlist for help,” said Geisser.

Montreuil Muslims say they are ready to go to court if the government fails to redress what they see as discrimination and a violation of their rights to freedom of religion. “This government needs to say what it wants from its Muslims,” said Aboulbaki. “Muslims need to be respected and the idea that building a mosque amounts to encouraging Islamisation and fundamentalism must be removed once and for all.”
Posted by:Fred

#19  If any muslim ever tells me something along the lines that Jesus/Issa was their prophet, too, my response would be but you didn't learn anything from him, did you?

All Mo all the time.
Posted by: Shusonter Grundy3567   2007-07-11 23:32  

#18  One of the problems with islam is that its members seem to recognize no separation between church and state.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-07-11 17:28  

#17  Perhaps the issue is more fundamental: separation of church and state: if the Catholics, Protestants and jews all built on privately held land, then why should any particular group get assistance from the gov't? I think that perhaps that was the underlying issue, not one of trying to prevent the spread of a nasty form of religious syphillis.
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-07-11 14:30  

#16  Getting rid of forward operating bases trouble moskkks is not something any western government will do until it's people leave it no choice. They might shut these down if they know the people are going take it upon themselves to shut down either the moskkks or the government. Western governments tend to lay around and eat grapes until people die in large numbers. We should work to change the political landscape and perhaps prepare for something more drastic if need be. We don't know if it will happen or not, but if our government remains full of apologists and Muslim toadies, the people just might chose the more direct option. We should not be totally unprepared for Extreme Moskkk Makeover.

Posted by: Mike N.   2007-07-11 14:12  

#15  Show us all the great churches, temples and synagogues in muslim occupied Mideast, Africa and Asia. Please give directions to the Grand Synagogue in Mecca. The Saudi Tourist Bureau Brochure is a little vague.

This is the bottom line: Reciprocity. Muslim majority nations have no freedom of religion. This should serve notice to the West of what to expect from Muslims who settle here.

All further construction of mosques in the West should be halted until the MME (Muslim Middle East) institutes genuine freedom of religion. They should be given a three to five year time frame to implement this. If they fail to do so, Islam should be outlawed and all mosques shuttered and demolished as outposts of religious intolerance. During the intervening timespan, for every Christian, Buddhist, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, Hindu temple, church or Jewish synagogue that is destroyed, a mosque in every Western country should be demolished.

Islam must be read the riot act. This putrescent gang of barbaric savages needs to be slapped down so hard that, when we're finished, only their hair doesn't hurt.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-11 13:51  

#14  Â“The Catholics, Protestants and Jews all have a place to pray in dignity. Why not us?”

Same old blame card. They love to play on the moral and cultural underpinnings of the West by such trickery, in order to inflitrate, separate, and utlimately make war via direct jihad or causing various weakenings and disintegration of morale and cultural identify of the "infidels." It's major coup for them to be able to win any point, no matter how small, and they do congratulate themselves profusely when they do and bitch and whine and accuse until they get more.

Mosques are strategic planning facilities first and foremost, and have nothing at all to do with supposed goals of integration into the larger population of host countries.
Posted by: ex-lib   2007-07-11 13:03  

#13  Despite a major fund-raising campaign, only 200,000 euros of the total 1.5 million euros needed to build the mosque have been raised from the local community made up mostly of Malians, north Africans, Senegalese and Muslims from the Comoros.

Couldn't get any help from the Soddies? That's a shame.

I would advise the French to pass a law real quick to forbid the use of foreign funds for purposes of building mosques.

BTW, that violin is way too big. What happened to the tiny one that they guy holds in the palm of his hand?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2007-07-11 12:27  

#12  I've come to believe that every time I hear or read the "islamophobia" that it is a smokescreen to just divert attention from what is really going on. Use of "islamophobia" is just Al-Takeyya (propaganda) in operation.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-07-11 11:04  

#11  Â“The Catholics, Protestants and Jews all have a place to pray in dignity. Why not us?”

Well, see Mohamed, part of the problem is is that you even ask that question.
Posted by: tu3031   2007-07-11 09:55  

#10  Â“The Catholics, Protestants and Jews all have a place to pray in dignity. Why not us?”

Because you worship evil. Aux armes citoyennes!
Posted by: Excalibur   2007-07-11 09:27  

#9   Whenever I read "islamophobia" in the MSM, my BS alert starts flashing its red lights & a siren goes off. But mostly the term's foul odor alerts me.
Muslims all have a very large place to pray in dignity. It's called Saudi Arabia. Let them go there, and remain.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2007-07-11 09:23  

#8  Why should havens (mosques) of terrorism be built? Why should islamics be allowed to create a terroristic nest that is a threat to law and order and culture within a resident country? Why should islamics be allowed to do what they want in your country when it is the most intolerant religion barbaric repressive cult in the world.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-07-11 08:55  

#7  "the Islamophobia of the far-right"

Definitiion: A phobia (from the Greek öüâïò "fear"), is an irrational, persistent fear of certain situations, objects, activities, or persons.

It's rational, therefor not a phobia, though many are responding as to a phobia (avoiding the cause). The appropriate response would be to make the cause avoid YOU.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-07-11 07:57  

#6  must “get its mosques out of the basements” if it wants its Muslim population to fully integrate into mainstream society

Bullsh*t. If they truly wanted to integrate they'd start by learning to speak French. In fact, mosques have a track record of creating MORE separation from the broader society. What they preach, in arabic and away from outsider scrutiny, foments hate, superiority and creates an environment where for some, at least, violence becomes acceptable -- valued and rewarded, even -- with no checks and balances.
Posted by: PlanetDan   2007-07-11 07:28  

#5  Â“The Catholics, Protestants and Jews all have a place to pray in dignity. Why not us?”

Show us all the great churches, temples and synagogues in muslim occupied Mideast, Africa and Asia. Please give directions to the Grand Synagogue in Mecca. The Saudi Tourist Bureau Brochure is a little vague.
Posted by: ed   2007-07-11 06:38  

#4  Muslims don't integrate they metastatise new colonies in benefit jizya majority areas.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2007-07-11 06:15  

#3  Â“What we want to halt is the Islamisation of our country. When we see in some towns that pork is no longer served in cafeterias, so as not to offend Muslims, or that municipal pools now offer separate swim hours for men and women, we can see that we are not just dealing with religion, but rather a political force.”

Confronting the Islamophobia of the far-right is not the only roadblock...


With the ability to inject a ludicrous and biased opinion so brazenly, this writer definitely has career options including working for the New York Times or the Washington Post.
Posted by: Cluper Lumumba3694   2007-07-11 06:05  

#2  Â“The Catholics, Protestants and Jews all have a place to pray in dignity. Why not us?”

Last I checked: “The Catholics, Protestants and Jews” haven't been flying fully loaded passenger jet airliners into occupied skyscrapers.

Echoing the view of many Muslim leaders, Aboulbaki said France must “get its mosques out of the basements” if it wants its Muslim population to fully integrate into mainstream society.

Do tell. Now please go on to reassure us that once those mosques are built there will not be Muslim agitation to close down all liquor stores, charcuteries and wine bars within a 100 10 kilometer radius of them. The empty promises that Muslims will “fully integrate” have been heard before. No one with half a brain believes them anymore. Where are Saudi and Kuwaiti donations to help provide native French citizens with replacements for so many of their vehicles that were lost to banlieue Car-B-Ques?

“We are not against Islam as long as it remains a private matter,” said Vayssiere, a senior member of the far-right National Republican Mouvement (MNR). “What we want to halt is the Islamisation of our country. When we see in some towns that pork is no longer served in cafeterias, so as not to offend Muslims, or that municipal pools now offer separate swim hours for men and women, we can see that we are not just dealing with religion, but rather a political force.”

Clearly, Vayssiere gets it.

“Many mayors see a mosque in their community as a sort of mental clinic, with clearly identified people inmates that they could talk to and enlist for help,” said Geisser.

There, fixed that.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-11 01:36  

#1  Â“we can see that we are not just dealing with religion, but rather a political force.”

Precisely. Now youÂ’ve got it. Remember, dear French friends, fire is your friend.

Posted by: Woozle Elmeter2970   2007-07-11 01:08  

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