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2007-08-09
Arizona mosque targeted in "acid bomb" attack
Police in Arizona said two unidentified men tossed a bottle filled with acid at a Phoenix area mosque early on Monday, splashing a caustic chemical near a Muslim cleric involved in a high-profile discrimination suit.
Only near the holy man, huh? They didn't manage to hit him? Why is my spider sense tingling? It only does that in the presence of bullshit...
A Glendale Police Department spokesman said two men driving in a red car threw a soda bottle filled with acid and a reactant at the Albanian American Islamic Center of Arizona, in Glendale, west of Phoenix, around 1 a.m. on Monday.
At 1 in the morning? Why, I'll bet there weren't any witnesses on the street at that hour...
The bottle, which contained pool cleaner and strips of tin foil, burst some 20-25 feet away from Imam Didmar Faja and another mosque official, although neither man was injured, sergeant Jim Toomey said.
Right. "We wuz jus' standin' on the corner, discussin' our bidnid, at 1 a.m. when dese here guyz comes by in a red car and stink booms us! It's a hate crime!"
"The bottle ruptured in front of them and they smelled a strong chemical smell when it went off," Toomey said. "We are treating it as a hate crime. We are taking it very seriously," he added.
Right. I'll bet you are. You might want to conduct a thorough investigation: why were they standing on the corner at 1 a.m. instead of safe at home in their trundle bed or beds? How did the perps know they were going to be standing on that particular corner at that particular hour to receive the benefit of that particular acid bomb? Why did the acid bomb land the width of a small house away from them, rather than showering them with pool cleaner and dissolving them like green algae? Who, other than Muslims and especially South Asian Muslims, is in the habit of throwing acid bombs at people?
Faja is one of six Muslim clerics known as the "Flying Imams" who are bringing a suit against US Airways alleging discrimination after they were removed from a Minneapolis to Phoenix flight last November.
My spider sense is cooing "self-inflicted hate crime." What's yours say?
The imams were ordered off the aircraft and were briefly detained by authorities after some passengers and crew became alarmed at what they believed was suspicious behavior.
Yeah. It's prob'ly the flight crew hunting them down for Dire Revenge™.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations said on Wednesday that the imams and their attorney had received death threats stemming from the lawsuit, and urged Glendale police to consider that as a possible line of inquiry in their investigation.
See? Death threats! Prob'ly from the flight crew, damn them! I get three or four calls a day from flight crews I've flown with, threatening my life. I have no idea how they get my phone number. Delta should give me lotsa money.
Never got any death threats, but Delta employees did threaten to have me arrested after they lost my luggage. Toomey said that the attack was one of six similar incidents involving the soda-bottle device in the Glendale area over a three-day period, but the other five did not appear to have a religious link. "Until we know (the reason), we are going to assume that (the mosque attack) was religiously motivated," he added.
Posted by:Obvious Omens2791

#24  I really don't understand this story. Around here, really unpopular persons tend to have drivers shoot a 30-06 into the house as they drive by at night. It is illegal and dangerous, but it does get the point across.
Posted by: whatadeal   2007-08-09 22:30  

#23  Wow. New record for number of comments about the Flying Imans. Sounds like we need to get along here. After all this is the religion of peace and someone out there is trying to tarnish their reputation.
Posted by: Jack is Back!   2007-08-09 20:20  

#22  and did not lead him down the sordid path of wine, women, and song...

For which I'm sure he's never forgiven you.
Posted by: Lumpy Cholush8027   2007-08-09 19:41  

#21  You reclassify that religion to a Political ideology then extinguish it. Mohammedans view their death cult as a religion, there's nothing that says we have to.

Excellent observaiton, Natural Law.

Regarding Zenster's quote of 'Moose's comment: Moose is correct with regard to the Hadiths. They hold the same place in Muslim thought that the Commentaries of the Holy Father did with the Roman Catholic Church's struggle with Martin Luther. Luther, and the reformers, rejected any divine "commentaries" of the scriptures, holding to the position of Sola Scriptura: "Only By Scripture". It was necessary to do so to ensure the success of the Reformation.

A dual language Koran is not only possible, but they actually exist. I have, in my bookshelf, an official Koran issued under Egyptian authority with dual parallel columns of text, in Arabic and English. It was given in gratitude from a Palestinian familiy whose younger son stayed with me during a summer school program at the University I was attending. Apparently, they appreciated the fact that I exposed the boy to some actual culture, and did not lead him down the sordid path of wine, women, and song...
Posted by: Ptah   2007-08-09 19:26  

#20  Hi Shipman, long time no see.
Posted by: gromgoru   2007-08-09 18:47  

#19  By "extinguish" I mean ban the practicing of Islam within the U.S., seize and raze all Mosks (intentional misspelling), ban all Islamic groups like CAIR, stop issuing visas to Mohammedans for any and all reasons, begin mass deportations of the Mohammedans that are here, suspend all diplomatic contact with all Islamic States...etc. etc..

Wheeee! GoogleKook Bump big time!
Posted by: Shipman   2007-08-09 18:16  

#18  By "extinguish" I mean ban the practicing of Islam within the U.S., seize and raze all Mosks (intentional misspelling), ban all Islamic groups like CAIR, stop issuing visas to Mohammedans for any and all reasons, begin mass deportations of the Mohammedans that are here, suspend all diplomatic contact with all Islamic States...etc. etc..

Islam wouldn't have it any other way. At least it's impossible to tell from how they act.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-08-09 18:01  

#17  role = roll
Posted by: Natural Law   2007-08-09 17:55  

#16  ...but if we intend to extinguish it, I think it doesn't matter what we classify it as.

By "extinguish" I mean ban the practicing of Islam within the U.S., seize and raze all Mosks (intentional misspelling), ban all Islamic groups like CAIR, stop issuing visas to Mohammedans for any and all reasons, begin mass deportations of the Mohammedans that are here, suspend all diplomatic contact with all Islamic States...etc. etc..

I'm sure I could think of some more, but you get the idea. Of course, we won't do any of that, we'll dilly and dally until we're forced to kill a few hundred million or more Mohammedans, or we'll role over and surrender just like the Europeans.

Which it will be is in the balance at this point, but one thing is for sure, if we do not clean house here and soon, it will be surrender.
Posted by: Natural Law   2007-08-09 17:52  

#15  I think it doesn't matter what we classify it as.

You're being far too logical, Mike N. Way too much of this world's population is religious and therefore cannot readily make the jump over to understanding how one particular religion might be their avowed enemy. The days of the Thugee cult are long past and no longer reside in current public memory.

As 'moose so sagaciously observes over in the Dutch politician for ban on Holy Quran thread:
To start with, begin with a requirement that all Korans have to be printed in, or at least with, the recognized major European languages beside the Arabic text, in accurate translations. It is a strong fundamental doctrine of Islam that Korans have to be in Arabic text, but only extremists insist that it can *only* be printed in Arabic.

Included in that would be a law making it a crime to "deface" a Koran by marking out the European language text, just leaving the Arabic, which is what they would do. By calling it "defacing", it would make them gnash their teeth, because "defacing" a Koran is a terrible offense in Islam.

Then, instead of banning the Koran proper, ban the *commentaries* on the Koran as hate speech. This is an important point, because of lot of the more graphic elements of Islam, like the hijab, are not based in the Koran itself, but in the commentaries. Then subsequently make it even illegal to possess the commentaries, not just import and sale.

Then insist that all Mosque sermons be given in Dutch or other major European language. This would be tricky in the Netherlands because they are so multi-lingual. But sermons are not Koranic, so there is no requirement that they be given in any particular language. This would break up the power of radical clerics, because they knew they could be monitored.

Then and only then, and probably after some nasty incident, could you ban the Koran outright, as hate speech. But by then, from most radical to less radical, Muslims would be leaving the country.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-08-09 16:37  

#14  By definition ALL religions are "ideologies". Were Christians to begin promoting the idea that our "holy book" says its okay to slaughter infidels, I would expect a public outcry. But the politicos lack the balls to condemn Islamo-fascists that make the same pronouncements.

Their cowardice is a huge mistake and lots of innocents will die as a result.
Posted by: Crusader   2007-08-09 16:32  

#13  You reclassify that religion to a Political ideology then extinguish it. Mohammedans view their death cult as a religion, there's nothing that says we have to.

Not that I'm saying Islam, at least in it's current form, isn't crap or that it can't rightfully be classified as a political ideology, but if we intend to extinguish it, I think it doesn't matter what we classify it as.
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-08-09 16:07  

#12  You reclassify that religion to a Political ideology then extinguish it. Mohammedans view their death cult as a religion, there's nothing that says we have to.

End of story, Natural Law. Too bad neither Bush nor the liberal left remotely comprehend this.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-08-09 15:58  

#11  #10...

You reclassify that religion to a Political ideology then extinguish it. Mohammedans view their death cult as a religion, there's nothing that says we have to.

It would be a simple matter, except for all the Lefty Ankle Biters®, just contrast and compare it with the four or five other religions with the most representation.

No comparison, just because a majority of Mohammedans are illiterate and uneducated enough to believe their murderous death cult is really a religion doesn't mean the rest of the world has to!
Posted by: Natural Law   2007-08-09 15:53  

#10  The U.S.A. bends over backwards to insure freedom of religion for all religions. What do you do when that religion contains the seeds of your downfall and destruction and those seeds contain the replacement of your system of laws with sharia law. That religion also states that you will be servile? What happens when that religion-political system is hell-bent on your destruction? What happens when that religion says slavery and lying is O.K. in the name of allah.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-08-09 11:00  

#9  Calling this an "acid bomb" is way out of proportion. Pool cleaner and aluminum foil in a 2-liter bottle? That's only going to hurt yourself if you fool around with it, it's no danger to anyone else.
Posted by: gromky   2007-08-09 10:53  

#8  And is it possible that the perpetrators were themselves muslims, and this was a staged incident to add to the list of examples of "islamophobia" in America?
Posted by: Rambler   2007-08-09 10:02  

#7  Also, I read in another posting of this 'incident' (maybe at LGF?) that the 'mosque' is a trailer with no obvious markings that it is a mosque.
Posted by: AllahHateMe   2007-08-09 09:41  

#6  Considering there were five more of these noisemakers thrown BEFORE this, at just random people, odds are it has nothing to do with their religion. But CAIR sure do like playing the victim.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-08-09 08:09  

#5  Sudden Jihad Syndrome is not a hate crime, but a bottle of pool cleaner is?
Posted by: gromgoru   2007-08-09 07:59  

#4  The Koran is a HATE CRIME.

Spot on, newc. The sooner Western countries declare it as such, the sooner we will overcome Islamism.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-08-09 01:26  

#3  Faja is one of six Muslim clerics known as the "Flying Imams" who are bringing a suit against US Airways alleging discrimination after they were removed from a Minneapolis to Phoenix flight last November.

Yo, Didmar, mebbe you arenÂ’t too popular right about nows, eh?

Toomey said that the attack was one of six similar incidents involving the soda-bottle device in the Glendale area over a three-day period, but the other five did not appear to have a religious link.

Naw, it’s just the Pepsi Generation™ putting in their CRV two cents.

"Until we know (the reason), we are going to assume that (the mosque attack) was religiously motivated," he added.

Whoa Nellie! Another BGO (Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious)!

In the days after the September 11, 2001, attacks, the Phoenix valley area was the scene of a widely reported hate crime in which a Phoenix man shot dead a Sikh outside his gasoline station.

Ban me if you must but this seems to be more a case of mistaken identity than anything else.

The victim, Balbir Singh Sodhi, was one of several Sikhs attacked in the United States after apparently being mistaken as possible supporters of Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden, believed to be behind the attacks.

Ummm … “believed to be”, even though bin Laden personally took individual credit in an internationally broadcast video? Tell you what, let’s just go with “verified” and retain some sort of a vestige of journalistic integrity. Emkay?
Posted by: Zenster   2007-08-09 01:24  

#2  I rather not go down that road on this soil, but since it is acceptable to soil my country with your hate, gotta hate it, but Americans are smarter than your books.
Posted by: newc   2007-08-09 00:22  

#1  Ooooh, a juicy "hate crime". The Koran is a HATE CRIME.
Posted by: newc   2007-08-09 00:21  

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