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UK: Vicars should remove white collars when off-duty, advisors say
2007-10-08
Catholic and Anglican vicars should remove their clerical collars while off-duty to avoid being singled out for attack, a church safety group said Sunday.

Criminals often target clergymen because they are perceived to have money. The stiff white neck pieces - nicknamed "dog collars," also can attract those bearing a "grudge against God," said Nick Tolson, who heads National Churchwatch. "They've got to be aware that when they're on their own, they're at high risk," Tolson said. "What we're saying is that when clergy are off duty - say when they're shopping at (the supermarket) - they should slip off the dog collar and put it in their pocket."

Britain does not routinely monitor violence against clergy. But a 2001 University of London study found that seven in 10 clergy had experienced some form of violence between 1997 and 1999, and more than one in 10 reported being assaulted, according to Tolson.
Posted by:Fred

#17  Europe is lost. And on many measures Britain leads the way down.

It's painful to watch them assiduously dismantle the tattered remains of a once vibrant and worthwhile civilization.


lotp, you are sadly close to the truth. I can only hope that we are wrong. Worst of all is how both of us will likely be disproven when Europe once again solves the problem by re-opening their too-highly-prized charnel house.

Is my a .357 OK, OP?

Dear Barbara, I could probably give you a frazzled toothpick and still be assured of the same results.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-10-08 22:54  

#16  Is my a .357 OK, OP? ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-10-08 20:29  

#15  I'd like every red-blooded man or woman of faith to learn at least a minimum of self-defense techniques. Can you imagine some group of young jihadis stumbling on a couple of females with a third-degree black belt in karate? Double humiliation - getting beaten, and getting beaten by WOMEN.

A .45 is heavy, noisy, and cumbersome for some people. A .38 does well enough, and is frequently small enough to be overlooked. Remember the words of St. Robert of Heinlein: "An armed society is a polite society."
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-10-08 19:35  

#14  Faith as small as a mustard seed will move a mountain, but a .45 will stop most any jihadi.
Posted by: Daffy Hupavish2995   2007-10-08 17:49  

#13  In Mexico, clergy are required to wear street clothes when they leave a church or seminary. But the reason isn't security; the Roman Catholic church opposed the Mexican Revolution, and got hit with payback.

As for the UK clerics, I would think their attackers would most likely be Muslims.
Posted by: McZoid   2007-10-08 14:58  

#12  Faith versus in .45

Fixed.
Posted by: Canukistan   2007-10-08 14:51  

#11  God gave us Sam Colt et al so we could take care of ourselves most of the time rather than get Him involved.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-10-08 14:18  

#10  Faith versus .45? I'll take the .45 thank you.

Not VERSUS, RJ. Although I am a Christian, I believe in one's right to defend himself, with a gun if necessary. I have a Concealed Handgun License, and I used to be a firearms instructor.

My point was that removal of the collars was an act of cowardice that exposes the fact that the promises of scripture mean nothing to these people.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2007-10-08 13:21  

#9  Faith versus .45? I'll take the .45 thank you.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-10-08 13:11  

#8  Hey "Church Safety Group": Where is your FAITH???

2 Samuel 22:2-4
"The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior— from violent men you save me. I call to the LORD, who is worthy of praise, and I am saved from my enemies."

Psalm 27:1-2
"The LORD is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life. Of whom shall I be afraid? When evil men advance against me to devour my flesh, when my enemies and my foes attack me, they will stumble and fall."

Psalm 34:7
"The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them."

2 Thess 3:3
"The Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one."


But I guess this doesn't apply to you??? Here's an idea: Take off the collar and KEEP it off. You're obviously not men of God anyway.

Posted by: mcsegeek1   2007-10-08 11:35  

#7  Europe is lost. And on many measures Britain leads the way down.

It's painful to watch them assiduously dismantle the tattered remains of a once vibrant and worthwhile civilization.
Posted by: lotp   2007-10-08 10:31  

#6  Christopher Hitchens cheers...
Posted by: E. Brown   2007-10-08 10:28  

#5  The stiff white neck pieces - nicknamed "dog collars," also can attract those bearing a "grudge against God"

Geez, whomever could they mean?
Posted by: tu3031   2007-10-08 08:35  

#4  Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Posted by: gromgoru   2007-10-08 08:00  

#3  Off Duty?
Posted by: Spats Elmoger1734   2007-10-08 07:56  

#2  A new category of "dhimmiwatch" is needed.

Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-10-08 07:15  

#1  Better solution: keep the collars but carry a .45. UK just won't think outside their box though.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-10-08 07:14  

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