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| Hirsi Ali on Islam, immigration, civil liberties, and the fate of the West. |
| 2007-10-13 |
| Reason: Should we acknowledge that organized religion has sometimes sparked precisely the kinds of emancipation movements that could lift Islam into modern times? Slavery in the United States ended in part because of opposition by prominent church members and the communities they galvanized. The Polish Catholic Church helped defeat the Jaruzelski puppet regime. Do you think Islam could bring about similar social and political changes? Hirsi Ali: Only if Islam is defeated. Because right now, the political side of Islam, the power-hungry expansionist side of Islam, has become superior to the Sufis and the Ismailis and the peace-seeking Muslims. Reason: Don’t you mean defeating radical Islam? Hirsi Ali: No. Islam, period. Once it’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace. Reason: We have to crush the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims under our boot? In concrete terms, what does that mean, “defeat Islam”? Hirsi Ali: I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways. For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they’re the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy. Reason: Militarily? Hirsi Ali: In all forms, and if you don’t do that, then you have to live with the consequence of being crushed. Reason: Are we really heading toward anything so ominous? Hirsi Ali: I think that’s where we’re heading. We’re heading there because the West has been in denial for a long time. It did not respond to the signals that were smaller and easier to take care of. Now we have some choices to make. This is a dilemma: Western civilization is a celebration of life—everybody’s life, even your enemy’s life. So how can you be true to that morality and at the same time defend yourself against a very powerful enemy that seeks to destroy you? Reason: George Bush, not the most conciliatory person in the world, has said on plenty of occasions that we are not at war with Islam. Hirsi Ali: If the most powerful man in the West talks like that, then, without intending to, he’s making radical Muslims think they’ve already won. There is no moderate Islam. There are Muslims who are passive, who don’t all follow the rules of Islam, but there’s really only one Islam, defined as submission to the will of God. There’s nothing moderate about it. |
| Posted by:Nimble Spemble |
| #4 Hirsi Ali nails it: Reason: DonÂ’t you mean defeating radical Islam? Hirsi Ali: No. Islam, period. Once itÂ’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. ItÂ’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. TheyÂ’re not interested in peace. There is no moderate Islam. This is who should have won the Nobel Peace Prize. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-10-13 11:35 |
| #3 Pheagar, nothing is predetermined. Revelation is an edifice that refers to the past and tries to extrapolate to he future. Warning? Sure. Predetermination? Nope. You would need to know the range of events that it draws from to understand its message. As for our current problem... You can consider civilizatios as organisms, composed from its indvidual cultural bearers. Islam, with its viral character (or rather combination of viral and parasitical traits), after some dormancy, is again on the attack. I believe that our young will see it in time for what it is, despite indoctrination that is going on, and erect not only defences but also find the way to destroy it. Of course, it requires that we, their parents, would not hesitate to call the infection by its proper name and get them familiar with its pathology. It may be that events would hit us with sudeness and we old farts would have to lead the fight. |
| Posted by: twobyfour 2007-10-13 04:49 |
| #2 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death..." Revelation 6:8 Islam This is predetermined. Without as deep a response, fanatical to say the least, Islam will not be destroyed. That counter fanaticism does not exist in this generation. |
| Posted by: Pheagar the Impostor4943 2007-10-13 01:18 |
| #1 REALCLEARPOLITICS > HALF THE WORLD - AN UNPRECENDENTED MUSLIM CALL/APPEAL TO CHRISTIANS FOR WORLD PEACE. Article - The world faces certain disaster and destruction iff its roughly Muslim 1/2 + ditto Christian 1/2 can't find common ground for peace and unity. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2007-10-13 00:56 |