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| Bush and Putin Rough out Breakthrough Strategic Deal for Dumping Iran |
| 2007-10-23 |
| Usual qualifications DEBKAfile discloses developing Bush-Putin deal to Iran’s detriment. A US concession on Europe-based missile shield - in return for Russian withdrawal of nuclear aid to Iran and backing for tough sanctions Its outline surfaced Tuesday, Oct. 23, in Prague when US secretary of defense Robert Gates proposed a possible delay in activating the planned missile interceptor base in Poland and the radar site in the Czech Republic until an Iranian threat was “definitely proved.” In Washington US President George Bush opened the door to accepting Vladimir Putin’s offer of the use of the Azerbaijan base. Moscow’s proposed quid pro quo is to be its withdrawal of nuclear aid to Iran and backing for tough sanctions. DEBKAfile’s military sources add: If this deal goes through, it could lead to Russia’s tacit acceptance of eventual US military strikes against Iran’s nuclear and strategic sites. The Islamic Republic’s strategic options would shrink dramatically between abandoning its nuclear ambitions or else facing crippling penalties. |
| Posted by:gromgoru |
| #14 Don't know who is more clever in this - Bush or Putin. The issue of overriding importance to the Bush Admin, perhaps even surpassing Iraq, is Iran and its nuclear follies. If the Iran problem is not solved in the next year, then it promises to get much more serious before it is addressed many years down the line. If Bush is able to secure Russian support for tough sanctions and even more importantly, support or at least acquiessence in a possible strike should sanctions fail, then he has achieved much. Putin has invested a lot lately in oppositon to the missle defense system deployment in Eastern Europe, and stopping or significantly delaying deployment is a huge victory for him, and he probably is not enthralled by the idea of a nuclear iran either. Were both posturing? |
| Posted by: High Brow 2007-10-23 23:38 |
| #13 "Article does NOT mention iff the Euros=NATO will be precluded from dev their own TMD/THAAD" Of course it doesn't because this article isn't real. It is a fabrication. The entire thing doesn't exist. I have never, ever, ever, ever seen a "DEBKA Exclusive" turn out to be true. If nobody has it but DEBKA, then it is false. EVERY time. |
| Posted by: crosspatch 2007-10-23 23:21 |
| #12 GUAM PDN > BUSH TOUTS EUROPEAN MISSLE DEFENSE PLAN. Russ Lavrov told Japan's FM Komure that NORTH KOREA presents a fundamental threat, BUT IRAN DOES NOT. Russ would not conside the NOKORS as such unless NK already has weapons grade nucmats andor per se working nuclear bomb devices which is NOT controlled by either China or Russia, enuff to threaten Moscow = major Russ cities/milbases. Lavrov's comments is contrary to what Russ claimed on the Net a few years back. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2007-10-23 19:19 |
| #11 Article does NOT mention iff the Euros=NATO will be precluded from dev their own TMD/THAAD, or buy outside e.g. Japan, andor Israel's ARROW system. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2007-10-23 18:41 |
| #10 Ebbang are you now Abu? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-10-23 18:14 |
| #9 We should have the graphic on this article that is normally used for Cindy Sheehan where the pathetic old women's libber is standing there topless and saying "Pay attention to me!" Except in this case it would apply to Putin instead of Sheehan. Heck, maybe the guy just wants us to pay a little more attention to him. You know, as if he's important. |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque6305 2007-10-23 18:11 |
| #8 Except what's to keep Russia honest after the U.S. takes the first step? Le bingo, trailing wife. Regardless of the article's veracity, any such talks with Putin would represent nothing more than us foolishly tipping our strategic hand to Russia in exchange for empty promises that would just as quickly be circumvented through covert activities. Russia and China will do nearly anything—short of conspicuously delivering nuclear weapons into Islamic hands—to break American military hegemony. There is no gesture of good will or cooperative stance we can take that will not be turned against us. Islam should have already taught us this lesson in spades but Washington is simply stuck on |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-10-23 18:11 |
| #7 Except this is a DEBKA report, which means that it is fantasy. Don't even waste your time pondering "what if" it were true. Someone made it up the other night over a few beers. Remember all the DEBKA exclusives that had us ready to attack Iran any minute ... twice this spring? You need to take them with more than a grain of salt, if they publish it, you can be assured that is NOT what is going to happen. |
| Posted by: crosspatch 2007-10-23 17:35 |
| #6 Dump Iran, my a**. They want money and don't care who they get it from. And if they can get it from someone who hates America, so much the better. I know the Russians don't like us But before they hand over some nukes to Iran, they may want to consider that the Iranian gummint is islamonazi and the Chechyans rebels are islamonazis. Just sayin.... |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2007-10-23 17:18 |
| #5 A satalite in GSO near Iran would probably serve the star wars system better anyway as it would have few or zero foreign political strings. If we put it up without fanfair the Russians and others woudl know what it was for (probably) but it wouldn't be in there face so they might not bitch. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2007-10-23 17:13 |
| #4 Trust, but Verify |
| Posted by: R. Reagan 2007-10-23 16:59 |
| #3 Except what's to keep Russia honest after the U.S. takes the first step? They do have a history. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-10-23 16:52 |
| #2 At least the first part makes logical sense, at least for the Russians. Their #1 priority is to stop threats against Russia, and they see threats everywhere; which is an enlightened paranoia I think the US can appreciate. And since the threat to Europe and US assets there is exclusively Iranian, it makes sense. That is, by taking away Iran's nuclear, Iran doesn't threaten Europe, so Europe doesn't need to do anything that Russia would see as threatening. So if Russia doesn't get paid a little for giving Iran nukes, it can save a lot by not having to pay a lot to menace Europe. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-10-23 16:45 |
| #1 I dont know what to say. despite the inherent logic, the source is such as to make one wary of appearing foolish for writing in response. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2007-10-23 16:16 |