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Spain braced for verdicts in 3/11 train bombings
2007-10-31
The verdict on those accused of involvement in Europe's worst Islamist terrorist attack will be announced in a Spanish court today after a trial that has lasted four months and 17 days and heard testimony from more than 300 witnesses.

Ten bombs packed with dynamite and nails exploded on four trains heading into central Madrid, killing 191 people and injuring nearly 1,800.
If found guilty, 19 men, mostly of Moroccan origin, will be sentenced on charges of planning and carrying out the bombings on the morning of March 11 2004, as thousands of commuters made their way to work. Ten bombs packed with dynamite and nails exploded on four trains heading into central Madrid, killing 191 people and injuring nearly 1,800. It was the worst act of terrorism in Europe since the bombing of a Pan Am flight over Lockerbie in 1988, which claimed 270 lives. Nine Spaniards, including one woman, are also accused of providing the explosives used by the alleged terrorists.

The eight main defendants could serve 40 years, the longest possible in Spain regardless of the sentence actually passed. Other alleged conspirators face between four and 27 years. All of the accused have pleaded not guilty.
All will serve less than ten years after time all and Y'urp-peon hospitality.
Three weeks after the bombings, seven of the alleged ringleaders blew themselves up as Spanish police surrounded them in a flat where they were hiding out, taking with them vital evidence. Among the dead were Serhane Ben Abdelmajid, known as the Tunisian and the alleged mastermind of the plot, and Jamal Ahmidan, a hashish trafficker turned fundamentalist nicknamed the Chinaman.
Enjoy hell, boys.
At least four suspects, including two who may have been central to the attack, have disappeared. One is understood to have died in a suicide attack in Iraq.

The figure who drew most attention at the trial was Rabei Osman, said to be the link between the Madrid bombers and other Islamist terrorist groups. Mr Osman, also known as the Egyptian, was arrested in Milan in June 2004 after allegedly saying in wiretapped conversations that he planned the train bombings. Mr Osman claims he has been mistranslated, and condemned the attacks during the trial.
Just a little misdirection for the benefit of us infidels. Did he say it publicly in Arabic?
Suspects accused of planting the bombs include Jamal Zougam and Abdelmajid Bouchar. The latter is said to have fled the flat in Leganés just before the alleged ringleaders killed themselves.

Rogelio Alonso, a lecturer in politics and terrorism at the King Juan Carlos university, said he believed the trial had shown that "it is possible to fight this type of [Islamist] terrorism through the courts". He also said the investigation had uncovered a link between the Madrid suspects and the wider world of al-Qaida.
It's not likely that all terrorists can be tried this way. As far as we know, there's no great secrets, no intel links, no sources compromised by the trial, and the defendants are stone cold guilty. We could have tried the 9/11 mooks, assuming any had lived, and convicted them, but look at the problems we've had with other terror-related trials in this country.
However, Scott Atran, a US academic who has investigated the Hamburg cell connected to the 9/11 attacks as well as those behind the Bali bomb attacks of 2002, and who witnessed the trial, said: "There isn't the slightest bit of evidence of any relationship with al-Qaida. We've been looking at it closely for years and we've been briefed by everybody under the sun ... and nothing connects them."
Apparently this Scott Atran. He wrote this op-ed piece in 2003. Not sure what his role is in the 'investigation'.
Posted by:Steve White

#11  You don't fight terrorism by killing phone resellers or petty criminals with no relation to Islamism not even as propagandists, messengers or other support roles.
Posted by: JFM   2007-10-31 18:44  

#10  This just in...
"A Spanish court has convicted three of the eight men accused of playing a central role in the 2004 Madrid train bombings and sentenced each of them to almost 40,000 years in prison."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/31/wspain431.xml

They can be out in 40 years.
Posted by: Darrell   2007-10-31 14:57  

#9  Exactly, Zen. It's hard to appeal a 7.62 mm sentence.
Posted by: Spot   2007-10-31 14:33  

#8  "it is possible to fight this type of [Islamist] terrorism through the courts"

Trust a craven Spaniard to utter such complete and total balderdash.

does anyone seriously believe that "law enforcement" is the way to fight terrorism?

Spot on, er ... Spot. You fight terrorism by killing terrorists, their sponsors, equippers and financiers. You keep killing them in large numbers until all attacks cease. Using the legal system to fight terrorism is like going deer hunting with an accordian.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-10-31 13:46  

#7  It isn't but this has nothing to do with the sentence. The sentence was not reflecting neither a weakness against terrorism nor "dount benefits accused", it reflects that the whiole investigation was a lie aimed at covering up for the fabrication of false evidences and an agit-prop campaign by the Spanish socialists in order to alter the result of elections.
Posted by: JFM   2007-10-31 09:55  

#6  I haven't followed this case all that closely, but JFM has, and he seems to think the story is not what it appears. It appears the authorities have been mis-investigating with intent, rather than just incompetence. Why would they? Who benefits? Are they just afraid to convict Islamists - that's one explanation? Or was it NOT the Islamists, but someone else, with Islamists being made the fall guys? If someone else, who? Does not fit Basque separatists style of bombings. Who does that leave? This kind of thinking makes me feel like a Troother - can anybody put together an internally-consistent story that makes sense?
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-10-31 09:54  

#5  After this, does anyone seriously believe that "law enforcement" is the way to fight terrorism?
Posted by: Spot   2007-10-31 07:52  

#4  The accused leader of the gang has been acquitted.

Posted by: JFM   2007-10-31 07:39  

#3  Acquit my followers! Or prepare for carbecues in abundance.
Posted by: MoHamHead   2007-10-31 07:07  

#2  Basically, there is not a sxingle one of the pieces of evidence who led t to the pre-election arrests (the ones who turned the result) who doesn't appear to have been planted, And for the post-election aarrests while somle of them were definitely islamists and up to no good the fact is that the link to the 3/11 bombings appears tenuous at best.

Did I mention that the trains were taken apart just two days after the bombings and that thus key evidence was destroyed.? Did I mention that we still don't know what explosives were used becvause no analmysis was made and that the explosive clearing experts who inspected them clzaim that it could no have been the low-velocity Goma-2 (the explosive used according to official thesis) but should have been military grade explosive (but we will never know since there was no analysis and evidence has been destroyed).
Posted by: JFM   2007-10-31 05:34  

#1  As far as we know, there's no great secrets, no intel links, no sources compromised by the trial, and the defendants are stone cold guilty.

You know bad. Read some of my posts on the subject.
Posted by: JFM   2007-10-31 03:28  

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