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China-Japan-Koreas
China Says West Should Deal With Warming
2007-12-08
China seems to prefer espionage over development. It's cheaper! This sort of fits the pattern. The lame excuses and mercurial logic here make my head spin, but it's good to know what kind of mindset you are up against sometimes.
China insisted Friday the U.S. and other wealthy nations should bear the burden of curbing global warming, saying the problem was created by their lavish way of life. It rejected mandatory emission cuts for its own developing industries. Environmental activists, meanwhile, labeled the United States and Saudi Arabia the worst "climate sinners," accusing them of having inadequate polices for climate problems while letting greenhouse gas emissions rise. But the activists also said no country is doing enough.
Well no, of course not.
Su Wei, a top climate expert for China's government attending the U.N. Climate Change Conference, said the job belongs to the wealthy. He said it was unfair to ask developing nations to accept binding emissions cuts and other restrictions being pushed for already industrialized states.
You have an opportunity to get in on the ground floor. Do it as much as is reasonable.
He said the United States and its fellow industrial nations have long spewed greenhouse gases into the atmosphere while newly emerging economies have done so for only a few decades.
Yeah, and you also have examples to follow and the benefit of modern understandings. That means you have no excuses as the US and other economies that did the trailblazing do.
"China is in the process of industrialization and there is a need for economic growth to meet the basic needs of the people and fight against poverty," Su said.
You'll find that more fuel-efficient stuff may actually help you meet your stated goals. And how will polluting the crap out of your environment help meet your future goals? There are those out there who can help, and I'll bet you can find an unemployed worker or two million who would be happy to help you set up and work at some facilities to help keep things clean.
While many experts believe China has surpassed the United States as the world's top emitter of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, Su noted the Chinese population is far bigger and said America's emissions per person are six times higher than in China.
And if your economy grows as you expect, what then? Nip it now!
"I think there is much room for the United States to think whether it's possible to change (its) lifestyle and consumption patterns in order to contribute to the protection of the global climate," he said.

China is one of nearly 190 nations participating in the Dec. 3-14 conference, which is intended to launch negotiations on a new climate treaty to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol when it expires in 2012.
That tells me how serious you are and how much weight we need to give to the Kyoto Accords, doesn't it?
The Kyoto pact, which was rejected by the United States, commits three dozen industrial countries that signed on to cut emissions by an average of 5 percent below 1990 levels over the next five years. One of the factors that led President Bush to reject Kyoto was that it didn't require any cuts by fast-developing countries like China, India and Brazil.
President Bush didn't 'reject' Kyoto. The U.S. Senate made clear that it would not ratify the accord, and did so during Pres. Clinton's second term. Pres. Bush simply bowed to their decision and didn't forward the accord to the Senate.
Beijing was long accused by environmentalists of evading the issue of global warming, but it is drawing praise for a new attitude at Bali even though China still relies heavily on dirty, outdated coal-burning techniques and is home to 20 of the world's 30 most polluted cities.

The environmental watchdog Germanwatch said Friday that China moved up four spots, to No. 40, on the group's annual ranking of the climate performance of 56 industrialized and emerging countries. Germanwatch said Beijing has enacted policies promoting renewable energy, including mandates that solar, wind and hydroelectric systems provide 10 percent of China's power by 2010. It also ordered key industries to reduce energy consumption by 20 percent, the group said.
Won't happen, but it seems that China doesn't have much capacity but is growing in leaps and bounds. Doesn't that mean that they should be able to have mostly modern stuff in another 20 years or so?
Saudi Arabia was listed as last among the 56 nations, right below the United States. The group said Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter, was the biggest "climate sinner" for the second year in a row because its emissions are rising and it has no firm policies to address that.
Go there and tell them that, infidel.
The United States was ranked No. 55 because it opposes mandatory cuts in emissions and argues that technology, private investment and economic growth will save the planet from global warming.
They're worrying more about what the mouth is saying than what the hand is doing, I see.
Australia was listed as third-worst offender, but with a caveat: It could rise to No. 20 on the list if new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd follows through with promises to reduce emissions after signing the Kyoto Protocol this week. "Australia will have to live up to their talk," said Matthias Duwe of Climate Action Network-Europe, which released the list.

Sweden was ranked as doing the best job, followed by Germany, Iceland and Mexico. A news release from Germanwatch praised Mexico for making progress in reducing emissions and adopting a "constructive international and national climate policy."
What about Zimbabwe?
Environmentalists said European nations as a group have made the most progress on the climate issue, but complained that is doing enough to address global warming. "The international community is still failing to comply with their responsibilities regarding climate protection," Duwe said. "They have not set themselves firmly on the path of limiting global warming."
How about grounding this guy's Gulfstream back home?
Posted by:gorb

#9  The Chicoms are hoping that the US 'falls' under the pressure to reduce it's overall 'Carbon Footprint' lowering and thus slowing the Eagle's military industrial complex that would hedge the Red Dragon's hegemony wishes for the western pacific. I'd rather have 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way...with smog and sea level rising' than stomping in rice patties for new masters in 2050!! Send a one worded decipherable message to the embassy of the PLA..."NUTS?!"
Posted by: smn   2007-12-08 18:59  

#8  I suspect effective pushback on Chinese pollution will come from the Chinese people themselves as they get tired of breathing and drink power plant and factory effluent. Sure, jobs in the city are nice, but when you start coughing your lungs out...

Expect the Emperor, errr Central Commitee to totally ignore international pressure. They will move in response to internal pressure, but only after the riots are widespread.
Posted by: SteveS   2007-12-08 15:15  

#7  China should get together with the South Africans. Build some of those safe pebble-bed nuke reactors and convert china over to nuclear power. Better than a big risky dam, and better than trusting your economy to the stability of the middle east.

Once they've got things working the China/SA axis should build nuclear plants for their allies. Creating an alliance with the third world using nuclear power as the glue could really work for China in the long run, gaining them access to markets and raw materials with minimal friction with the west.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-12-08 11:17  

#6  Where is the surprise meter graphic? After all, chutzpah is a Chinese word, dontcha know?
Posted by: RWV   2007-12-08 10:40  

#5  Carbon Dioxide, it's all these idiot can talk of.
I'm far more concerned with pollutants like perchlorate, TEC, Chlordane and Mercury than I ever was about CO2. The persistent chemicals are going to kill us NOW, not in 50 or 100 years and China must be the worlds absolute worst at dumping them.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2007-12-08 10:24  

#4  China really ought to look at the vote numbers in our Senate and House before making assumptions about the stupidity of the American voters.

Oh sure, we have to endure Nancy and Harry. But China might want to take a look at the actual vote numbers in order to get a clue about the resolve of the American peoople. Even Bill Clinton didn't have enough ahem... to vote for the Kyoto treaty.

It's a well kept secret but in the end, Nancy and Harry are our servants, not our masters.

Yeah, we will deal with warming. And we will deal with in such a way that even our poorest citizens are warm in a way that your citizen's wish they could be.

Hey Nancy.... go get me a beer.
Posted by: Whomong Guelph4611   2007-12-08 08:12  

#3  Here's hoping Halliburton dials up the Earthquake/ Tsunami machine another couple of notches...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-12-08 07:45  

#2  China, you had better clean up your environment. This has nothing at all to do with climate change. You live like filthy pigs.

EL.
Posted by: newc   2007-12-08 07:25  

#1  If human caused global warming wasn't a complete crock, I might be worried.
Posted by: DMFD   2007-12-08 07:17  

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