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Olde Tyme Religion
Be the Moderate Muslim You're Looking for
2007-12-26
Kareem Elbayar, Arab News
“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, though it may be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts of your hearts, lest ye swerve, and if ye distort justice or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.” (Qur’an 4:135)

In a Dec. 7 Op-Ed in The New York Times, Ayaan Hirsi Ali asked where the moderate Muslims were, and concluded that the very notion of a moderate Muslim majority was “wishful thinking”.
Some of us had come to the very same conclusion.
Ali’s claims are echoed by many prominent commentators on the American right, and judging by the comments left on The New York Times website, by many average Americans as well. But the popular idea that mainstream Muslims either do nothing to condemn (or worse, secretly applaud) the outrages perpetrated in the name of our religion is not only reductive and misinformed — it is dangerously wrong as well.

The vast majority of the worldÂ’s 1.5 billion Muslims are indeed moderate, peace-loving people who reject violent extremism and terror.
And we'd appreciate it if they'd get their crazy cousins under control. It would make life a lot easier for all of us.
Moderate Muslims are all around us, from the attorney and husband of the rape victim from Saudi Arabia; to the delegation of British Muslims who traveled to Sudan and worked with Sudanese member of parliment Ghazi Suleiman to secure the “teddy bear” teacher’s release (and prove that the entire controversy was more about distracting international attention from Darfur than it was about Islam); ...
... which illustrates how easily Islam can be used by radicals and crazed killers to divert the attention of, oh, a billion and a half moderates ...
... to the literally hundreds of thousands of Muslim individuals and organizations in the United States and around the world that expressed shock and disgust at the events which Ali cites.
And then send money to the Widows Ammunition Fund, since we all know that the most pressing charitable need for the families back in the old country is for more ammunition. The issue here is the disconnect between what the moderates say in public versus what they say in private, and do with their wallets, and with their children ...
Ali conveniently omits these facts from her narrative — just as she plucks a single verse from the Qur’an, devoid of any context — in order to create a black-and-white fantasy world of Muslim radicals versus civilized Westerners.
Seems to be a lot of that going around, usually in the finer madrassas in Wazoo, the Frontier, Saoodi-controlled Arabia, Yemen and Hamastan.
Yes Ms. Ali, verse 24:2 of the Qur’an sets out a harsh punishment for adultery — but verse 24:4 requires four eyewitnesses (an almost impossible standard to meet) and, more importantly, verse 24:5 states that the punishment should not be applied to those who sincerely repent. (So much for your argument that the Qur’an orders believers to show no compassion).
And so much for convicting a rapist, which some would argue was Mo's point.
Ali may make headlines by writing polemics condemning Islam as a “backward religion” and “the new fascism”, but in the meantime Muslim organizations like the one I am a member of, Muslims for Progressive Values, will continue to quietly but effectively do what we can to counteract the hateful nonsense that regretfully is being taught as Islam in far too many places.
If "Muslims for Progressive Values" can persuade moderate muslims to wake up and sit on their crazy cousins, fine and dandy, but I get the sense that it's just another group engaged in a little taqiyya.
Moderate and even progressive Muslim organizations can be found all over the world, but we are too busy working within our communities to promote a message of reform and tolerance to do as Ali asks and “rise up in horror” every time some lunatic commits a crime in the name of our faith.
Isn't rising up to condemn atrocities one way to promote tolerance?
Nor should we be expected to do so.
Why not? We asked Americans of Irish ancestry not to send money to NORAID.
It seems that Ali would like me and my co-religionists to go about our lives constantly marching around the streets apologizing for the acts of zealots — but I will not do so, for I bear no more responsibility for these acts than she does.
You don't have to march in the street following every atrocity. You do have to make abundantly clear that you stand against these atrocities.
Moderate and progressive Muslims are everywhere, but we are ignored and marginalized by the media and by commentators like Ali.
Isn't it your job then to speak loudly enough that the MSM and commentators won't ignore you? Seems to me that every advocacy group has that problem.
It seems that in our modern age of sound bites and one-liners, strident if uninformed criticism will always outperform calm and reasoned debate. If Ali is serious about supporting tolerance among Muslims, perhaps she should spend less time penning distracting and misleading screeds against Islam and more time reaching out to groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Muslims for Progressive Values, Al-Fatiha, and Sisters in Islam.
If you're grouping yourself with CAIR, then I know what I need to know about you.
The only way to prevent the “clash of civilizations” from becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy is to build bridges between our communities.
Which is as much your responsibility as hers, or ours. You can be a Muslim, but you also have to be an American. And it's your responsibility to ensure that the two mesh, not mine.
Promoting a black-and-white caricature of reality serves no one — least of all the tolerant Muslims Ali can’t seem to find anywhere she looks.
Posted by:Fred

#19  Irshad Manji had an interesting cab ride yesterday,

"... a Sudanese Muslim cab driver went out of his way to show me hospitality [taking a fare after his shift in a rainstorm]. At the same time, however, he proclaimed the genocide in Darfur a Western lie, then endorsed the thrashing of a British teacher involved in the Mohammad teddy bear case,"

The guy is nice but immoderate.
Posted by: mhw   2007-12-26 16:16  

#18  Irshad Manji had an interesting cab ride yesterday,

"... a Sudanese Muslim cab driver went out of his way to show me hospitality [taking a fare after his shift in a rainstorm]. At the same time, however, he proclaimed the genocide in Darfur a Western lie, then endorsed the thrashing of a British teacher involved in the Mohammad teddy bear case,"

The guy is nice but immoderate.
Posted by: mhw   2007-12-26 16:16  

#17  
CAIR is a bunch of pansy apologists for folks like Hamas. I got no problem with TALKING to CAIR, just as long as we dont treat CAIR as true moderates, or appoint theyre folks as chaplains, and all that.


Except, of course, we do. And TALKING to them legitimizes them. Ignore them, focus on finding true moderates, and strengthen the voices of the moderates.

CAIR deserves every criminal prosecution they can get; that the press doesn't remind their audience of the long history of terrorist ties with them is disgraceful.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-12-26 15:55  

#16  Good question. And what about moderate Christians who fail to follow the teachings of Jesus? Who here will throw the first stone?

Christ didn't order the beheading of all the men in a tribe and the enslavement and rape of its women.

You can fail to follow Christ's example and still live a peaceful life, treating people well and being a force for good. The only way you can treat people well and live in peace is to ignore Mohammed's example.

It's an unpleasant truth, but a truth none-the-less.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-12-26 15:46  

#15  "This fellow recommends we talk to CAIR. "

CAIR is a bunch of pansy apologists for folks like Hamas. I got no problem with TALKING to CAIR, just as long as we dont treat CAIR as true moderates, or appoint theyre folks as chaplains, and all that.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2007-12-26 15:37  

#14  On Saturday night I, a American Christian of English extraction, attended an Eid party with my family. I was one of about eight men socializing in the living room. Most were professionals in their 30s; all except me were of Pakistani origin and Muslim faith. The main subjects of conversation were the housing and mortgage markets, soccer, and politics -- especially the upcoming Pakistani and U.S. elections. Just for the record, they were all hospitable and friendly. And just for the record, they have the same issues with Pakistani and American candidates that I do: the candidates are shallow, self-serving, and are not pursuing the good of the people. Their biggest problem with George Bush is that Bush did not quickly and forcefully condemn Musharif's sacking of the supreme court. They feel the weight of U.S. policy on Pakistan and they want U.S. influence to be positive. They want democracy, not judges swearing allegiance to a dictator. You cannot convince me that these Muslim men are a threat to us. I've felt more threatened by some of my own Christian politically-liberal relatives.

"How in the hell do you become a moderate Muslim and follow the terrorist teachings of Muhammad?"
Good question. And what about moderate Christians who fail to follow the teachings of Jesus? Who here will throw the first stone?
Posted by: Darrell   2007-12-26 15:28  

#13  Icerigger

You may not like it but there are verses in the Bible, both NT and OT, which could be used (and have been used) to justify violence. Its true that they are far fewer than in the Koran and its also true that Christian and Jewish authorities have interpreted these verses to be either no longer applicable or to refer to very narrow circumstances or similarly to make them inoperative while there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of imans and mullahs who teach that the koran justifies violence.
Posted by: mhw   2007-12-26 15:26  

#12  How in the hell do you become a moderate Muslim and follow the terrorist teachings of Muhammad? Do you moderately beat your wife, moderately behead non-muslims?

Reminds me of the moderate Nazis we hear some much about...
Posted by: Icerigger   2007-12-26 13:55  

#11  OTOH its still not in our interest to confuse the fence sitters with the actual radicals.

This fellow recommends we talk to CAIR. He's neither a moderate nor a fence sitter.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-12-26 13:43  

#10  the number of meaningfully "moderate" muslims is certainly much smaller than the above article states, as several here have noted. The problem is, there are really four categories -AQ and similar believers in an imminent caliphate, folks with little interest in the caliphate but whose politics are far too radical to be called moderate (like the Khomenist Shia, and folks who use terror for "local" issues like Hamas), fence sitters (as mentioned above) and genuine moderates. The genuine moderates are probably 10% or less of the total. Its not surprising that they have difficulty admitting the problematic nature of the fence sitters. OTOH its still not in our interest to confuse the fence sitters with the actual radicals.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2007-12-26 12:59  

#9  Yet another "moderate" declaring the extremists are somebody else's problem.

And lining up alongside CAIR.

When Muslim communities in the US expose their members who are holding slaves, rather than come to their defense or ignore them, then we can talk.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-12-26 12:27  

#8  Speaking of overcounting, Kareem Elbayar is a proud propagandist of the 8 million muslim meme. Gotta outnumber those Jew monkeys. Also 911 was really about poverty. Cause the $300 million dollar man and his 15 fellow Saudi oil teat piglets were oppressed by poverty. Only massive American jizya will make the muslims like us. Oh, and make the Jews give into the Paleos.


Some in the ummah fight the kuffar with the sword, others with the pen.
Posted by: ed   2007-12-26 08:58  

#7  Islamic pluralism means there are Muslims who will slice your throat for being infidels and Muslims who will write an op-ed afterward saying that Islam is the ROP. Both can pray together.

Isn't that lovely.
Posted by: mhw   2007-12-26 08:16  

#6  Compare wid LUCIANNE > OBAMA AND ISLAM. Barack as an Islamic Apostate as viewed by Muslims for converting and practicin' Christianity???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-12-26 03:30  

#5  Since 95+% of the acts of terrorism in the world today are committed by Muslims, Muslims have a much greater responsibility to condemn and demonstrate against these atrocities than non-Muslims - and they have utterly failed to demonstrate in substantial numbers after any of the major terrorist attacks against non-Muslims in the last decade.
Posted by: Slats Elmuns6921   2007-12-26 03:03  

#4  Muslim bookstores are full of "sahaba" literature, which glorifies the plunder and murders committed by Muhammed and his "companions." The Western media refuse to learn anything of Muslim "sunna" or emulation of the pedophile "prophet." He participated in 59 acts of aggression against innocents and rivals. His first slaughters were against traders, who fell victim to his plunder. Muslims have a low regard for "disbeliever" (kaffir) life. They mix in Western Civilization like oil mixes with water.
Posted by: McZoid   2007-12-26 02:58  

#3  
1.5 billion
How about a group of Muslims Against Overcounting Themselves?
Posted by: JSU   2007-12-26 02:22  

#2  The vast majority of the worldÂ’s 1.5 billion Muslims are indeed moderate, peace-loving people who reject violent extremism and terror.

A predator is not belligerent: it's looking for a meal---not a fight.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2007-12-26 02:10  

#1  A moderate Muslim is one who has not openly picked a side yet. Waiting to determine which is the strong horse. Spineless cowards.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-12-26 00:57  

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