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Britain
UK female Muslim medics protest new hygiene rules
2008-02-04
Muslim women training in several hospitals in England have objected to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam. Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

According to a report in The Telegraph, the measure has been deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.
Deobandism has killed hundreds of thousands. What's the big deal?
Minutes of a clinical academics' meeting at Liverpool University revealed that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children's hospital had objected to rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns. Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused to "scrub" as this left her forearms exposed. Documents from Birmingham University reveal that some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms, and warn that it could leave trusts open to legal action.

Hygiene experts said last night that no exceptions should be made on religious grounds. "Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to follow," they said.

But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam. Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: "Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."
Posted by:ryuge

#27  Don't be lazy, Besoeker! ;-)
Posted by: twobyfour   2008-02-04 23:50  

#26  You be a clever one TW.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-02-04 23:46  

#25  I don't remember anything about vaccinations, www, except on the Indian sub-continent and Africa, where they refused polio vaccines for a while. But there was a ring of Pakistani doctors in Britain and Australia, if I recall correctly... I don't recall if they were directly linked to the two idiots drove through the entrance of the Glasgow airport and caught themselves on fire for their efforts, but the first of the doctors were picked up shortly thereafter, fleeing up one of the M motorways. The one in Australia first had his visa revoked, then afterward it was given back with apologies. Details are in the Rantburg archive, which cleverer people than I know how to search.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-04 23:37  

#24  Some of the ummah perform jihad with guns, others with germs.
Posted by: ed   2008-02-04 23:15  

#23  If you aren't clean GET THE HELL OUT OF MY OR!

I dont give a crap if you are a mormon a muzzie or a little green man from mars. Scrub up or stay the hell out of the profession.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-02-04 23:12  

#22  What a bunch of crap.

It seems to me they are pushing the envelop to see how far they can go before the multiculturalists and ninnies in GB say "That's it. That's the line"

Fire em

Posted by: Junior Assistant Sock Puppet of Doom   2008-02-04 22:39  

#21  And wasn't it in the UK that the Islamic Medical Association demanded Muslim Doctors not vaccinate?

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, is telling Muslims that almost all vaccines contain products derived from animal and human tissue, which make them "haram", or unlawful for Muslims to take.

Islam permits only the consumption of halal products, where the animal has had its throat cut and bled to death while God's name is invoked.

Islam also forbids the eating of any pig meat, which Katme says is another reason why vaccines should be avoided, as some contain or have been made using pork-based gelatine.
Posted by: www   2008-02-04 22:17  

#20  This is all a part of the campaign that those who would heal you will kill you. Wasn't it recently that some Muslim doctors were arrested in Britain or somewhere who were going to commit terrorism in the West?

And isn't the number two Al Qaeda man, Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al Zawahari, and Egyption Muslim doctor?
Posted by: www   2008-02-04 22:13  

#19  It is all about freedom; the freedom to protect the majority from disease, notwithstanding a parasitic and disrespectful minority. Muslims can go to hell.
Posted by: McZoid   2008-02-04 21:53  

#18  No gorb not in the UK, in the UK that is considered a hate crime.

That sucks. OK, perhaps you could insist that she wash up in front of you? Everyone's got a right to defend themselves against germs and other people's foolish ideas about them, right?
Posted by: gorb   2008-02-04 19:55  

#17  No gorb not in the UK, in the UK that is considered a hate crime.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2008-02-04 14:45  

#16  Don't know gorb, seems like that may be a 5 year stint in the gulog for incitement of hate in ol' brittania and I have been to the hospital a couple of times where there were so many things going on at once wondering if hands were scrubbed happened the next day. In that profession cleanliness is mandatory and must be strictly enforced. There is a hospital out my way of which it is said, "If you stay there long enough they'll kill ya." on account of staph etc. IIRC lots of mexikansans there with the long finger nails probably not washed thoroughly enough.

Otherwise I agree, "Don't get your hair cut by someone with a bag covering their head."
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-02-04 14:42  

#15  Customers can always say they want someone other than a muslim woman to take care of them if they walk in wearing a burkha.
Posted by: gorb   2008-02-04 13:57  

#14  "But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam."

(The tenents of our religion trump your stupid rules for hygiene and public health, you stupid kufir.)

"One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."

Another idea might be to summarily refuse to train female muzzies for careers in medicine since a tenent of their religion conflicts with basic standards of public health.

I recall a few months back it was reported that muzzie med students were refusing to attend med seminars/training courses dealing with STD's and HIV. Whatever became of those a**holes? Did the med schools find a way to accomodate them or were they tossed out on their ears? I'm betting the med schools turned a blind eye, kissed muzzie a**, and the med schools prayed they wouldn't be called islamophobes.

The major parties/elected elites in the UK are pushing the people toward joining the BNP because the BNP is the only party that speaks out against the encroachment of islam on daily life. Witness the stories over the weekend where muzzies with multiple wives get extra welfare benefits and the story where the "muzzie honor killings" and "muzzie forced marriage" get short shrift by the UK police.


Posted by: MarkZ   2008-02-04 12:48  

#13  It's clearly their husbands or father's faults. They are making or allowing them to work and go outside the home, bringing dishonor to their families. Therefore, execute their husband or father and castrate every male relative within 3 degrees.

Oh and fire the women.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2008-02-04 11:40  

#12  Moderate Muslims making life safer for you.
Posted by: wxjames   2008-02-04 11:37  

#11  Firefighters wear nomex. Strippers get nekkid. Health professionals are sanitary. All 3 are volunteer jobs with very specific job requirements. Perhaps a job at a dry cleaners, chimney sweeps?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-02-04 11:21  

#10  "One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."

Another idea might be to produce a bunch of poles to slide down like in the Batman comics. When they get to the bottom they will be wearing long, sterile, disposable Burkas.
*Better first check to make sure sliding down poles isn't an insult to Islam or anything.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2008-02-04 11:01  

#9  Hmmm....just Google - British doctors washing hands.

If the doc's are having issues about sanitation why the fuss about the nurses? :)
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-02-04 09:20  

#8  I'd say "fire them all", but this is Britain we're talking about.

I'd say "deport them all".
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-02-04 08:44  

#7  If this were America I would say hire them and then everyone who catches even a cold in a British hospital sues for ten million dollars, one hundred for penumonia a billion pr death.
Posted by: JFM   2008-02-04 08:38  

#6  some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms
Works for me.
Posted by: Spot   2008-02-04 08:35  

#5  I'd say "fire them all", but this is Britain we're talking about.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2008-02-04 08:17  

#4  Seems this isn't a story on the Al'BBC webshite.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2008-02-04 08:08  

#3  Muslim women training in several hospitals in England have objected to removing their arm coverings in theatre

Little wonder morale among the ranks is suffering for phuechs sake.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-02-04 08:07  

#2  Lop their arms off. No need for all that nasty immodest hand washing then...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2008-02-04 08:06  

#1  "Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to follow," they said.

IOW: Shut up, skanks
Posted by: Frank G   2008-02-04 07:44  

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