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Britain
Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'
2008-02-07
The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable".
"Yeah. We surrender."
Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4's World at One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.
That really should be their problem and not the problem of the British legal system.
Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.
No. It would subject Christians, Jews, agnostics, atheists, Hindoos, Buddhists, Jains, Shintos, and worshippers of the Divine Elvis to Mohammedan strictures that they probably disagree with. To coin a phrase, they might not relate to the Mohammedan legal system.
For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.
Which would then be free to issue decisions that are at odds with the law of the land, to which previously all the inhabitants of the Sceptred Isle have been subject. That's actually been one of the selling points of Jolly Olde England.
He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".
Well, y'see, the state represents whatcha might call a culture. It's evolved over the years, but it's come to encompass lots of things that make Britain different from, for instance, Bulgaria. Or Arabia. If Bulgarians come to live in Britain they're expected to learn how to be Brits, rather than Bulgarians. People expect them to ditch the habits they learned at old Uncle Ivan's knee and replace them with habits similar to those of Clive and Emma. If Mohammedans come to live in Britain it seems fair to expect the same of them.
In an exclusive interview with BBC correspondent Christopher Landau, ahead of a lecture to lawyers in London later on Monday, Dr Williams argues this relies on Sharia law being better understood. At the moment, he says "sensational reporting of opinion polls" clouds the issue. He stresses that "nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that's sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well".
The stonings, the public executions, the subservience of the common man to the whims of whatever holy man is placed over him. The religious police. Being forbidden to change religions unless you're becoming a Mohammedan. But, hey, as long as the Archdruid sez it's okay, go ahead.
But Dr Williams says the argument that "there's one law for everybody... I think that's a bit of a danger".
Many of us consider that single concept to be the most significant contribution the Brits have made to the world, bar none.
"There's a place for finding what would be a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law, as we already do with some other aspects of religious law."
Name one.
Dr Williams adds: "What we don't want either, is I think, a stand-off, where the law squares up to people's religious consciences. We don't either want a situation where, because there's no way of legally monitoring what communities do... people do what they like in private in such a way that that becomes another way of intensifying oppression inside a community."
Islam is all about oppression. The Brits have spent a couple thousand years achieving their rights, seeing them evolve into the Magna Charta, and from there into the magnificent body of Common Law. The common man spent year after year tugging his forelock at the approach of the gentry, yearning for his freedom, religious or otherwise -- it used to be against the law to be a Methodist or a Presbyterian or a Catholic, remember. And now His Excellency the Archbishop is casually prepared to return John Bull to those glorious days of yesteryear, replacing the parish priest with an imam, replacing the oppressive panoply of clerks and bishops and such with qazis and hafiz' and mullahs. If you're going to return to oppressing the populace, at least use honest English traditions, fergawdsake. You don't have to import them from Arabia. And when you do, the commons can again begin the long climb out from under the thumb of the gentry, who know what's best for them. If you're lucky, they'll remain honest Englishmen and not chop your heads off like the Frenchies did when they disposed of their gentry... Oh. Wait. Which King Chuck was it that got his head lopped off?
Multiculturalism 'divisive'
His comments are likely to fuel the debate over multiculturalism in the UK.
Y'think? What wuz yer first clue?
Last month, one of Dr William's colleagues, the Bishop of Rochester, said that non-Muslims may find it hard to live or work in some areas of the UK. The Right Reverend Dr Michael Nazir-Ali said there was "hostility" in some areas and described the government's multicultural policies as divisive. He said there had been a worldwide resurgence of Islamic extremism, leading to young people growing up alienated from the country they lived in. He has since received death threats and has been placed under police protection.
Whereas the Archdruid, perfectly happy to see the commons return to their natural state of deference to their betters, hasn't received any death threats.
Posted by:tipper

#19  He's old.

Hopefully he'll soon go to his reward.

IN HELL.

*spit*
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-02-07 19:47  

#18  no comment from the duck of york?
Posted by: Frank G   2008-02-07 19:36  

#17  What a pompous windbag.
Posted by: Crusader   2008-02-07 18:22  

#16  Death is inevitable. Sharia law is not inevitable; is it one of those things you flush down the commode.
Posted by: JohnQC   2008-02-07 15:38  

#15  Almost seven hundred years in the future, swksvolFF. But that Jesus, he knew everything, so of course he could insert an anachronism in his parable. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-07 15:30  

#14  Could I be so wrong as to think that when Jesus told the Parable of the Good Samaritan, misslums did not exist yet.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-02-07 15:25  

#13  Will nooone rid us of this meddlesome bishop? Anyone? Buehler?
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2008-02-07 14:40  

#12  And soon afterward, another law (E = mc^2) will become unavoidable.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2008-02-07 14:33  

#11  Wasn't there a famous line in British history that went something like "Will no one rid me of this bothersome Priest"?
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-02-07 13:53  

#10  #7 He compared Muslims in Britain to the good Samaritans

Not really, ArchBullshit Williams. They have to, y'know, actually help a jew in distress.

If they beat up the jews, then they're not the Samaritans, but the robbers...
Posted by: Ptah   2008-02-07 13:44  

#9  With any luck, Elizabeth is mouthing the words "turbulent priest."
Posted by: Varmint Ulomp6468   2008-02-07 13:31  

#8  England is due for a William the Conqueror redux methinx.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2008-02-07 13:04  

#7  Rowan Williams again, and I was eating lunch.

In November 2007, the Archbishop received a great deal of criticism[29] for an interview[30] he did in Emel, which bills itself as a "Muslim lifestyle magazine". . As reported by Times Online, he was greatly critical of the United States, the Iraq war, and "Christian Zionists" who support the return of Jews to Israel, yet made "only mild criticisms of the Islamic world"[31]. He compared Muslims in Britain to the good Samaritans,
Posted by: Icerigger   2008-02-07 12:37  

#6  Seriously, if the Queen wants to maintain any shred of relevance for herself, her family, the Church of England and England itself she needs to boot this senile old bastard out on his butt before he can utter another word. Better yet, lock him up in the Tower and throw away the key.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2008-02-07 12:21  

#5  So we can look for more British immigrants?

How does the Archbishop of Canterbury get appointed? Agreement within a conclave of bishops, like the Pope, or appointment by the Prime Minister as signed by the Queen? This is the most absurd thing that has passed untouched across the old idiot's brain.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-07 12:00  

#4  Can't wait to hear Phillip Pullman's comment.

(crickets)
Posted by: mrp   2008-02-07 11:50  

#3  It's time to bet the crown Queenie. You need to step up and denounce the senior leadership management of your church. Time for a real purge of the Board of Directors. If you did, you'd become the rallying point for those who still believe in England. If you don't, Charlie won't, and so goes the last vestige of our connection. Goodbye, good luck, and thanks for all the fish [and chips].
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-02-07 10:11  

#2  Might be nice if Dr. Williams choked on one of his nice dinners some night. Soon...
Posted by: tu3031   2008-02-07 10:11  

#1  He has broken up and destroyed his church, now it is time to break up and destroy "England".
Posted by: www   2008-02-07 09:39  

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