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Britain
Williams 'shocked' at Sharia row
2008-02-09
The Archbishop of Canterbury is said to be overwhelmed by the "hostility of the response" after his call for parts of Sharia law to be recognised in the UK. Friends of Dr Rowan Williams say he is in a state of shock and dismayed by the criticism from his own Church.
He expected polite silence in the face of his suggestion to negate every gain the English have made since the Magna Charta.
All the main political parties, secular groups and some senior Muslims have expressed dismay at his comments. However, the Bishop of Hulme, the Rt Rev Stephen Lowe, criticised the "disgraceful" treatment of Dr Williams.
Ahah. A bird of similar plumage.
The BBC understands from sources who work on Christian-Muslim interfaith issues that Dr Williams has faced a barrage of criticism from within the Church and has been genuinely taken aback by how his words were received.
My Gracious Lord of Canterbury has been wrapped up in his own thoughts, utterly disconnected from spirituality and the Christian tradition, for a long time now. Must be the herbs in that Druid ceremonial cup he imbibed when being invested in the Order of the Magical Oak a while back.
Perhaps he should consider another line of work. Maybe a rewarding career in the food service industry?
The bowling industry is hiring ...
BBC News religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott says both traditionalists and liberals in the Church have their own reasons for criticising Dr Williams. Traditionalists maintain that English law is based on Biblical values and that no parallel system could be tolerated in the UK.
That part of the argument's pretty fallacious. English law remained separate from canon law for a thousand years or so. It's based on Biblical values to the extent Britain is a Christian country, but it's also quite fluid -- too fluid in the opinion of some, since many principles today have drifted from the way they worked a hundred or two hundred years ago. Shariah, however, being rooted in the Koran and Mohammed's utterances and habits, can't change. Even if it does change in the face of some sort of transient humanitarian impulse, it's likely to change back as soon as the Salafists take over.
Liberal Anglicans believe giving Sharia legal status would be to the detriment of women and gay people.
Yeah, yeah. Those are the only issues of any import in the entire world.
Nah ... but they are indicative ....
Isn't it great how the Archbishop has united traditionalists and liberals?
Resignation call
Among those critical of the archbishop is the chairman of evangelical Church group Reform, the Reverend Rod Thomas. "The Church at the moment, and the country, needs a clear lead. The country is itself in a debate about its own sense of identity," he said. "The moral values that we pursue are ones that we need to know are clearly grounded, and it would be most helpful for the leader of the Church to be able to explain to people how the values we cherish stem from our Christian tradition."
The Archdruid's not real big on Christian tradition.
UKIP MEP Gerard Batten said it would be the "thin end of the wedge" and called on the archbishop to resign.
Good idea. Trade in the mitre for a paper hat.
He said: "I think he's shown he is totally unfit for the role he undertakes. He's not fit to be Archbishop of Canterbury, he doesn't seem to know what his own business is, and he's not fit to sit in the House of Lords. I think he should go."
Posted by:Fred

#14  He was probably surprised that there was anyone left in the Anglican Church. Clergy like him have been doing their best to abandon the faithful for years.
Posted by: RWV   2008-02-09 16:14  

#13  The saddest part of all of this is that he is so oblivious to his own inadequacies to hold his high office that he won't resign and doesn't seen the honorable imperative so to do. A church leader should use the power of his position to advance his faith to others, and to proudly extole the virtues of his belief system. This foolish man thinks being pliant, apologetic and accepting is his job. His comments simply reflect his viewpoint of the future path of British culture-namely surrender to the power of a more enthusiastic (albeit evil) faith. He doesn't want to fight, confront or critique Islam, he wants to embrace dhimmitude and cultural suicide. Tragic further proof of the rot that will sink Albion into a sump of brooding moon-cult worshipers.
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2008-02-09 14:35  

#12  "is said to be overwhelmed by the "hostility of the response" after his call for parts of Sharia law to be recognised in the UK"

Of course he is shocked. Had he expected that kind of response, he never would have said it. But to be fair, I think part of what he is saying is actually true, he is just saying it wrong.

There are several concepts in Sharia that are also in our own cultural common law. Say, for example, the return to corporal punishment for minor crimes such as petty larceny. It would reduce prison overcrowding and could possibly do something that actually modifies behavior in an initial offender. Singapore does it and we used to do it. Dover, Delaware still had the whipping post on the city Green the last time I was there.
Posted by: crosspatch   2008-02-09 13:49  

#11  As Supreme Governor of the Church of England, Queen Elizabeth should fire Williams. Alternately, she could contract out to Donald Trump to deliver the message.
Posted by: DMFD   2008-02-09 12:30  

#10  Down with Rowan Williams. Up with Rowan Atkinson. At least Black Adder stood up for freedom of speach and the idea that this nonsense kills comedy.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-02-09 10:43  

#9  Alas, that's pretty much been the case everywhere it's been imposted.
Posted by: lotp   2008-02-09 09:52  

#8  Dr. Williams, the peasants are revolting!
Yes...and they're ugly too!

Liberal Anglicans believe giving Sharia legal status would be to the detriment of women and gay people.

Sharia Implemented: Women, Minorities Hardest Hit...
Posted by: tu3031   2008-02-09 09:33  

#7  More shocked than if your head was sawn off by a scimitar-wielding masked man?

In his case, probably yes.
Posted by: no mo uro   2008-02-09 08:41  

#6  First the traitors. Then the enemy.
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-02-09 07:49  

#5  "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2008-02-09 05:10  

#4  "Good idea. Trade in the mitre for a paper hat."

Fred, I thought you had made a mistake and I was going to fix it with "Trade in the mitre for a paper tinfoil hat." Then I realized there's no need to trade. He probably already has several of those, made of double-strength Reynolds Wrap for extra protection, and wears them underneath the mitre. I'm sure he knows he can't be too careful when it comes to those mind-altering ol' cozmik rays...
Posted by: Jomosing Bluetooth8431   2008-02-09 02:39  

#3  Sounds like Dr. Willams needs to do some field research.

Like in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or Egypt.....
Posted by: CrazyFool   2008-02-09 01:56  

#2  I hope the "shocking" was done with a cattle prod....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-02-09 01:48  

#1  Yeah, these are the real telling moments:

1) That he's so isolated from other opinions that he thinks his own is the only correct one (endemic to liberals everywhere)
2) That Muslims came out against the idea.

This is just another example of a Western liberal desperately trying to kowtow before another culture. I swear, they have wet dreams about getting to kneel before others. Remember the scene in "The Phantom Menace"?
Posted by: gromky   2008-02-09 01:05  

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