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Link between Global Warming and Hurricanes DOUBTED!
2008-04-13
Hurricanes are unlikely to become more frequent as the world warms, according to a new analysis by a scientists who until now had supported a link between global warming and tropical cyclone activity. But they may still become more intense.
Gloom, doom and agony on me!
"The hurricane expert, Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, unveiled a novel technique for predicting future hurricane activity this week," according to a report in the Houston Chronicle. "The new work suggests that, even in a dramatically warming world, hurricane frequency and intensity may not substantially rise during the next two centuries."

2007 saw fewer hurricanes than expected, though there were several rapidly-intensifying cyclones in the Atlantic basin. The early prediction for 2008 is for an above-average year filled with frequent storms and several intense hurricanes.
Let us know how that works out for ya considering the 2006 and 2007 predictions.
The art of hurricane prediction, even just a few weeks ahead of a season, is young. Scientists readily acknowledge that the list of unknown influences on hurricane activity is likely to be long.

As the Chronicle put it: "Scientists wrangling with the hurricane-global warming question have faced two primary difficulties. The first is that the hurricane record before 1970 is not entirely reliable, making it nearly impossible to assess with precision whether hurricane activity has increased during the last century.
"Yet, we expect you peons to believe that we can predict temps within 1/1000th of a degree in 50 years time!" he added.
The second problem comes through the use of computer models to predict hurricane activity. Most climate models, which simulate global atmospheric conditions for centuries to come, cannot detect individual tropical systems."
Oh really, Mr. "Expert" Guy? But, we're still supposed to invest billions (if not trillions) in some voodoo science based upon those same computer models?
Posted by:BA

#13  Scientists readily acknowledge that the list of unknown influences on hurricane activity is likely to be long.

So most of the time we don't know what the fuck we're talking about. But it gets our names in the paper and keeps that grant money rolling in.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-04-13 21:34  

#12  The new work suggests that, even in a dramatically warming world, hurricane frequency and intensity may not substantially rise during the next two centuries."

This article is just media and global warming huckster spin to counter the fact there was an article just published last week showing that Dr. Grey (Gray?) in Colorado - one of the most renowed experts in the fields of hurricanes - stating something to the effect that as we are entering a cooling phase and that hurricanes will decrease. I don't have a link, I just remember reading it last week.

Apparently this creates a problem for the global warming hacks because they had hyped that the increase in the hurricanes was a result of global warming. But now that it is clear that we might not see that trend continue they need to change their facts to fit.
Posted by: Woodrow Slusorong7967   2008-04-13 21:06  

#11  that would be a minority, right? Couldn't the "researchers" extrapolate that % based on post-70's data? Not that fricking hard to do if you really want facts and not agenda. I am totally sceptical of any and all global climate change research, as you can prolly tell. I see shoddy research techniques, inaccurate and shaded "models", agenda-driven interpretations and grant-whoring. Where am I wrong? Oh yeah, 'm not "consensusy"
Posted by: Frank G   2008-04-13 20:58  

#10  Frank: not so much. About a third of all tropical storms in the Atlantic and more in the eastern Pacific never see land. They just go straight north & die before they hit the Arctic, or go wandering aimlessly somewhere south of Bermuda. They have to cross the shipping lanes at the right time for them to be noted by sailors - or cross the shipping lanes at all, which some of the odder ones might not.
Posted by: Mitch H.   2008-04-13 20:09  

#9  Ah, the brown tree snake. Getting supplies from Singapore is much safer. Faster,too.
Posted by: Hector   2008-04-13 19:25  

#8  Joe M...

1) Have you got rid of those nasty exotic snakes yet in Guam? If you have I might want to visit someday.
2) Mangos - I love mangos....
Posted by: 3dc   2008-04-13 18:43  

#7  "KILLER Dan" > SRF Guam + US Army Reserve Guam > HOW CAN WE WIN THE WAR [fav saying]!
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-04-13 18:31  

#6  MSNBC/FOX HANNITY AMERICA'S > on the determinative role of CHANGES-FLUXES IN SOLAR ACTIVITIES + RADIATION OUTPUT as per Warming. Broadly, it still comes down to WHILE THERE IS INCREASING WORLDWIDE SCIENS CONSENSUS THAT THE SUN IS THE SINGULAR GREATEST FACTOR BEHIND WARMING, THERE IS ALSO A PARALLEL LACK OF SCIEN CONSENSUS ON WHAT THESE SOLAR CHANGES-FLUXES MEANS AS PER THE SUN + SOLAR INTEGRITY.

*GUAM + WESTPAC/Pacific > iff old dreams-visions of mine hold up, and which ususally do, Guam etc. will in future experience not only ICING BUT ALSO GIGANTIC FURIOUS TORNADO-LIKE STORM FUNNELS + WATERSPOUT SYSTEMS [e.g. "X-Men" Movie]. WIll start out small but clearly forming, then get bigger stronger blacker frequent + statistly massive in size and power.

D *** NG IT, STORM [XMen Mutant Weather Witch Babe], HOW CAN A YOUNG BOY IN FUTURE GUAM PICK HIS FAVORI-I-I-TE BANANAS + MANGOES, PET LIZARDS, etc. WITH TORNADOES OUTSIDE HIS WINDOW + FAULT LINES ACROSS GUAM + WESTPAC!

HOW CAN WE WIN THE WAR!
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-04-13 18:28  

#5  pre-1970 - hurricanes are usually detectable by ships at sea and beachfront property. They rarely sneak by. Naval records and news accounts would give information, they either:
a) Don't want to do the detailed research, or
b) (more likely) have done it and it doesn't fit their theory
Posted by: Frank G   2008-04-13 17:15  

#4  Interesting word association exercise. yup...
Posted by: tipover   2008-04-13 16:55  

#3  Frank: Do you mean lazy in terms of not filling in the hurricane record prior to 1970, or lazy in terms of not stripping back the post-1970 record to reflect the available dataset, which is the path I'd think would be most useful. You know, drop all the middle-of-the-ocean bumblers which never would have gotten recorded in the days before intensive satellite coverage.
Posted by: Mitch H.   2008-04-13 16:53  

#2  My Chinese heart
During the anti-China forces: China's development over the past few years a gang, commissioned by the peoples of the world who the people in the world next Olympics Games, we do not easily ah ----- you these so-called democracy and freedom under the pretext of human rights blaming son of a cur like scum on the inside pick Dan chicken bones and drum in collusion with the unscrupulous were the scum of the Chinese exiles fear that China is not arbitrary; occurred in China's beating, smashing, looting, murder, arson they say are human rights and democracy and freedom, such as occurred in the same house you say is a terrorist, rogue behavior, and making the world for you to a counter-terrorism; if a different view, you said that we support the false terrorist activities and so on -- -- we doubt that the world can take the right path? global village can be peace? ! ! ! We are these unjust and sorrows! We can not natural for us to Fu Yu civilization gods of the universe and cry against this global village there is a Jibi worst power politics and prejudice injustice! ! !
I said that the past is indeed Western civilization, democracy, human rights longing to appreciate, but the past few years under happening in the world of aggression and occupation, what the first rule, their own homes against terrorist support and connivance of other family-chaos, hooligans Iraq waves in order to feed its own people over the past few years development, and the Chinese people real peace and development to neighboring countries and the world economy into a dynamic national greatly from the easy. . . . . . We do not Anger Shuixia you, we just protect our own country from ¡À integrity and dignity, is Daza guns against criminals, we support the diversity of the world of human rights and democracy with our existing problems, like you do not have perfect EC to be the time and specific conditions to address the mutual complementarity ah, we do not have a colonial military bases abroad, we do not support the Iraqi occupation of millions of people ah casualties. United States 911 you our sympathy to you a counter-terrorism, together with you to resolve the many problems! It seems you connivance of the United States to support Tibet independence scum; you of the United States in Iraq, people still die less? ! . Early your domestic riots in France and there are some signs of difficulties, we have the leadership and people have the sympathy of your heart; you the unification of Germany the first time we congratulate - including all anti-China elements: You have a conscience! ! ! China is in the election some human rights problems, but not temporary conditions, the democratic island of Taiwan, even the leadership of the rostrum are stagnant, and so brutal chaos in China with a population of 1.3 billion the country in accordance with the conditions governing the country, listening you usually make of our old so we not only eat 100 of the plight of chaos, you have to be even hinder others on the ah ----- Cape is the home that improper others do not know the plight of someone's home, each difficult to have read the classics, if only intended to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, that you have an ulterior motive, drawn up - is not too much to civilization and the basic character of justice where? ? ? You do not bar us idiots, and even our more intelligent than you, because we know that civilization and humanity-the benefits are, you are too small smart, and now you have developed your ancient ancestors perhaps the result of civilization, or perhaps you are from to this ancient pursued by the now-as I Those who are dead against me seize hegemony inferior gross profit of anti-civilization! Civilized human rights and democracy is only fooling them a certain contempt for the truth as a tool for profit, advise you now have in the world is not a world of the past, truly is the future of civilization, and now you have the words and deeds of civilization is a bit too much, so that it was narrow thinking unconvinced and to make detours, and has always been the pursuit of a general awakening is the quality of human civilization replaced.
You have in the past chaos, we will be waiting for you next Qiao there that day were not well-intentioned Baijiezi and all anti-China elements will not end well. --------
This is one of the voices of ordinary people to heart and kind-hearted people with lofty ideals widely-paste-to-paste to the West for all the Web sites so that they know that an ordinary citizens than some of the voices of politicians in the effort to purify the lot ! ! ! Belittle you! ! ! ----------- Ha! You! Hahaha You You You You You!
Posted by: re666   2008-04-13 16:42  

#1  "Scientists wrangling with the hurricane-global warming question have faced two primary difficulties. The first is that the hurricane record before 1970 is not entirely reliable, making it nearly impossible to assess with precision whether hurricane activity has increased during the last century

I call Bullshit and lazy researchers. Asshats
Posted by: Frank G   2008-04-13 16:37  

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