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Southeast Asia
Cleric calls for ban of infidel sect
2008-05-06
RADICAL Indonesian cleric Abu Bakar Bashir has called for the ban of an "infidel" Islamic sect as debate raged in the world's most populous Muslim country over religious freedom and tolerance.

Mr Bashir said the government must swiftly disband the minority Ahmadiyah branch of Islam to protect mainstream Indonesian Muslims and prevent violent sectarian unrest.

"Ahmadiyah is an infidel organisation using the name of Islam, which aims to disrupt Islam,'' he told a press conference called to urge the government to act on the recommendation of an inter-departmental team to outlaw the sect.

"We urge the Indonesian government to immediately and officially ban and dissolve Ahmadiyah. We warn the government that any delay to do so will potentially create horizontal conflicts,'' he said.

He explained that by "horizontal conflicts'' he meant sectarian violence between mainstream Indonesian Muslims and Ahmadis, who number only about 200,000 in Indonesia.

Without a ban, people might take matters into their own hands, he said, a warning made all the more resonant after a mob attacked and razed an Ahmadiyah mosque last week.

"We never recommend any attacks or destruction but Muslims will fight each other if the government doesn't want to ban Ahmadiyah,'' said the cleric, who served almost 26 months in prison for conspiracy over the 2002 Bali bombings before being cleared and released.

Habib Rizieq Shihab, head of the militant Islamic Defenders Front, said his followers would not resort to violence but stood ready to help the government enforce a ban through dialogue.

"If the government issues the ban, we agreed to help the government to convince the Ahmadiyah followers to return to the real Islam through dialogue. We won't use any violent approach,'' he said.

The government has not indicated how it will respond to last month's recommendation from the Coordinating Body for Monitoring Religions and Beliefs - a panel set up during the Suharto dictatorship - to outlaw Ahmadiyah.

The sect, established in the country since the 1920s, believes Mohammed was not the final prophet, contradicting a central tenet of Islam.

Its plight has raised concerns among moderate Indonesians and human rights activists about religious tolerance in the country of some 230 million people, nearly 90 per cent of whom are Muslim.

Earlier today, hundreds of people rallied in central Jakarta in a show of support for religious freedom.

Representatives of the Ahmadiyah sect as well as Muslims and Christians gathered to urge the government to resist pressure from Islamic hardliners to ban the sect.

"We are here to show to Indonesia, to the world, that Indonesians love peace. To show that there are more Indonesians who love peace than those who don't,'' an organiser told the crowd.

The demonstrators carried banners reading Stop Religious Fascism and Stop Violence in the Name of Religion.
Posted by:tipper

#6  I'm perfectly willing to accept unexplained shooting deaths of the single shot through the forehead or heart type. Plenty of people in that part of the world die from gunshot wounds, after all. Or, the sudden appearance of cement blocks falling from the sky hither and yon, since clearly "things falling from the sky" is the province of Allah. There really is no need to get fancy when simple will do. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-05-06 20:19  

#5  Me too.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2008-05-06 17:03  

#4  I'm OK with that
Posted by: Frank G   2008-05-06 16:34  

#3  Moose

to implement your policy would require much better intel and weapons than we now have unless you mean to advocate destroying Bashir's HQ and killing both him and whoever was in the building at the time
Posted by: mhw   2008-05-06 15:45  

#2  Excalibur: I have been advocating this from the start. It seems to be self-defeating for us to allow the instigators, enablers and financiers to walk around scot-free, while we kill endless numbers of their foolish followers.

This doesn't mean that we make them martyrs, either. Just that they stop breathing. Heart attacks, nasty and incurable diseases, slip and fall accidents. Half of one or six dozen of the other.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-05-06 09:37  

#1  Without a ban, people might take matters into their own hands, he said, a warning made all the more resonant after a mob attacked and razed an Ahmadiyah mosque last week.

What we - and by we I mean civilization - need to do is adopt a policy of immediately killing anyone who levels this sort of threat. No warning. No second chances. You threaten jihadi violence, you endorse jihadi violence, and you are dead.

These men are cowards. They will get the message.
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-05-06 09:08  

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