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| Chinese people: foreigners to blame for all our problems |
| 2008-05-19 |
| ● Pollution in China is the fault of foreigners. We foreigners have come here to manufacture our cheap garbage at the lowest price possible and consequently, the environment is polluted as a result. If we foreigners didnÂ’t come here to make so much money, there would be no environmental problems in China. ● If there are quality problems with Chinese made products, it's our fault. If we didnÂ’t come here to buy low-prices trash they not have made it, so stop complaining. ● Foreigners are only here in China for the fantastic money making opportunities that are everywhere here. Money is the driving force here, not the culture, the adventure or anything else. (This one seems to hurt the most since I have spent the last few years in a culturally rewarding but fiscally less rewarding industry specifically because I like Chinese culture. Actually most of the foreigners I know here have made very little money in China and the few that have paid dearly for it). ● Yes, ChinaÂ’s new labor law is a pain but a good thing since as it will help to prevent the foreign business here from continuing to exploit Chinese workers (still not sure how this will prevent this sort of thing from happening: slave labor in the Shanxi brick kilns) ● If you have a complaint or problem with something, it's probably because you just donÂ’t like the way we do things here (and are just looking to exploit us anyways). Now there is some merit to this, but this one has shown up in some surprising situations like during quality control inspections on furniture. If it's the wrong size, it's the wrong size. What does that have to do with being a foreigner? ● China is rising. If you have an issue with this, live with it or get out. It's probably because you are unhappy with the fact that even though the West is working furiously to contain China, it's just not working. We like our government as they have made us more prosperous. Did we just revert back to the 1960ies? Have we returned to days when Americans were branded “capitalist running dogs?” Whats scary about all this is the all encompassing depth and coverage of these viewpoints amongst different age generations, cultural and social backgrounds, education levels and professions. People I have known for years who are normally very non-confrontational now pepper their conversations with these viewpoints when discussing seemingly unrelated and benign topics. I have also noticed that the younger the person, the stronger the anti-western sentiment. And the wording is almost identical in some cases. After eleven years here and running, it makes you realize that though much has changed on the surface, not much has changed underneath. In fact, in this regard it seems like we moved backwards. And one thing is for certain: Whether you agree or disagree with the Chinese viewpoint is irrelevant because its their viewpoint. This is clear from the articles linked below - particularly the ones where comments have been enabled. They donÂ’t really care of you agree with them. They believe this viewpoint and will defend it passionately. Emphasized this last point because you're all going to see this again and again when dealing with China. Your opinion is simply irrelevant and you should shut up. |
| Posted by:gromky |
| #7 Money is the driving force here, not the culture, the adventure or anything else. This is actually pretty amusing, since China has no traditional culture left. Apart from food and the traditional Chinese superiority complex, everything you see outside of a museum and archaelogical digs in China is of Western design or invention, including the hairstyle and the clothing. No one wears the elegant Qing (Manchurian), Ming (last Chinese dynasty) or even the clunky Sun Yat Sen (i.e. Mao jackets) costumes (which is what they are, in the context of today's China) any more. China doesn't have a culture - it has museum pieces. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2008-05-19 22:23 |
| #6 All the barriers they're throwing up will, in a couple of years or so, bring the export component of the Chinese economy to a screeching halt, as exporters (Chinese and foreign) shift their operations abroad. China is moving towards economic autarky even as India is liberalizing its economy. This is India's chance to catch up. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2008-05-19 22:17 |
| #5 And how that makes them different from any other "People"? Not much. However, look at Americans. They'll adopt children of any color, race, creed, or nationality, not hung up on 'blood', a discriminator internal even within societies. Interesting difference. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2008-05-19 17:55 |
| #4 This may have either benign or malevolent ends. To start with, if you ask the typical American about China, or foreigners in general, would you be surprised to hear similar disparaging remarks? On one level, in both countries, it is a sign that they are strong nations, and don't particularly like foreigners bashing their country, whether or not they have a point. Think of it as pride. What matters is how that attitude evolves. If France does something that annoys the US, we stop buying their stuff, at a low level, to send them a message. We don't go to war with them. But if the Chinese become aggrieved, say with India, what will they do? If they systematically wind their people up into wanting to do something violent to punish India, that is the downside. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2008-05-19 17:27 |
| #3 And how that makes them different from any other "People"? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-05-19 17:03 |
| #2 French intellectuals are a good comparison. Criticize others endlessly, but of course themselves are spotless. If you make a point, it only makes sens to you because you're an unwashed philistine and you can't possibly be expected to discourse at the high level that we operate at. |
| Posted by: gromky 2008-05-19 16:32 |
| #1 And its terrible that all those foreigners have the oil you so desperately need and will continue to need to keep your economy afloat. By the way, liked all the pic's in National Geographic this month, seems you're assimilating Western Culture[tm] nicely. (Actions speak louder than words). You've learned to be just as ungrateful as the French Intellectual Class[tm]. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2008-05-19 15:06 |